you will shoot me for saying it but....

[judas_beast]

Mayber someone should give ''unknown'' producers a chance?!

[christian wagner]

Mayber someone should give ''unknown'' producers a chance?!

Yeah, i also hate the phrase "Up and coming"

I do think that the way which tracks are made now are affecting the quality of the music to a degree, OK, theres a lot of tracks that are really wicked which were made on software set-ups, but i find it so bloody tedious staring at a screen at a flashy graphics software synth or some kind, id sooner stare at an akai screen and try to make something sound good with a small 32 segmant screen thing :) and i also love farting about with my pulse and its bloody awful interface, rather than a flashy nice looking synth.

I admit that my set-up is mainly software, but i do have some hardware kit which i use to break away from the boringness of screen stiring.

[fatcollective]

Yeah, i also hate the phrase "Up and coming"

I do think that the way which tracks are made now are affecting the quality of the music to a degree, OK, theres a lot of tracks that are really wicked which were made on software set-ups, but i find it so bloody tedious staring at a screen at a flashy graphics software synth or some kind, id sooner stare at an akai screen and try to make something sound good with a small 32 segmant screen thing :) and i also love farting about with my pulse and its bloody awful interface, rather than a flashy nice looking synth.

I admit that my set-up is mainly software, but i do have some hardware kit which i use to break away from the boringness of screen stiring.

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

[christian wagner]

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

But how easy is it to do that in software and sit back and go "that will do, it sounds ok" ?

If the process was harder and more time consuming, i think that people would put more effort into a track rather than doing one for the sake of it and because they have hundreds of pre-made loops ar their disposal.

Some people dont even get a pre-made loop and chop it up and mess with it, even thats a damm sight better then using plain loops!

I agree with you about melodies and synth arrangements, im not the best person at writing melodies but i do try haha..... (then fail!) :D

[AcidTrash]

Techno went up its own arse a while ago. The moment people started stigmatising tunes with a sense of humour as being hard dance or cheese.

This is why I dont bother coming out anymore. Who the hell wants to listen to 8 hours of glitched loops?

It was the drive for "intelligent techno" that screwed it all up. Feck that shoyte. I spend my weekdays chasing mice round my brain and getting wrinkles working about stuff. If I'm going out for a boogiie I want vacuous stupid predictable silliness I can bounce around to until I think my hearts going to explode.

The last tune I heard that fitted the description was Hotwire by 'is lordship. The first cheerful tune in ages.

[dirty_bass]

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

Wow.
I was saying that about 2 years ago in this place, and got shot down for it.
Funny how times change.

Part of the problem to me is patience.
No one has any, any more.
People get a release, think they`ve made it, and then jam out the tracks, like a machine gun. And distributers will jump on any name they think is vaguely hot, as they are desperate for sales. so you see people appear, ram out loads of similar shit, then dissapear only for someone just the same to do the same.
There`s little personality going into it.
No thought going into it, just anything will do as long as you can mix with it.
If it`s a lazy production that does sod all, who cares, just mix another two tracks over it when you are on the decks.

What happened to those tunes that are still in your head when you get home?
those "what the **** was that??" moments, that make you duck for cover, or jump like a loon.

The way techno has gone, pretty much made me decide to stop releasing and producing for anything but live pa, until recently when I got a new wind.
the market was just full of nothing tracks for DJ`s, and I simply didn`t think I could contribute anything to that, not anything that I could genuinly feel good about producing myself.

I`ve finally got myself to a financially comfortable point, where I can continue to do just what the **** I want now, and experiment like crazy, without worrying about sales, and so I will be.

and I`m finding other people who are on the same tip now, hopefully I`ll be releasing their stuff, as no one else seems to want to risk it, more`s the pity.

More musicians, and less DJ`s is what we need.

[nihilist]

do people really just put aload of standard loops together and call it a track?

[fatcollective]

do people really just put aload of standard loops together and call it a track?

i think some people do this but i dont think much of it gets released to be honest. i know loops get hammered these days though, thats why there is so much 'tribal' techno about or percussive style techno. i like some of it, but most is rather boring and goes on and on...

[nihilist]

using loops is just cheating yourself where's the chalange?

[fatcollective]

schranz is very loop based with a fvck load of distortion on top, it can sound good if ya get it right!!

[davethedrummer]

the thing is chaps
production itself is not the issue here
it's WRITING thats the issue

i mean production , thats just about making things sound good right?
it doesn't really matter how you do it
as long as it works

and production has always been improved upon over the years
because we humans are just totally anal about what we listen too.

but writing , now thats different..

thats where you make descisions about key , pitch , rhythm , melody and most importantly concept

and thats the bit that is going astray
its the concept ( or lack of ) thats needed
we do need to hear some experimenting , and pretty damn soon.
cos the music is too safe
and i for one am getting close to giving up point now
cos there just isn't enought about to keep my set up to date with

all those key producers

bailey , sneo , beyer , henrik b , leibing , advent , krome , skoog and many more

all those guys would fill up my bag , and then i'd play a bit of london stuff to go with it
and it would work
but now it's just london , cos there just isn't anything else , and well thats just too london
even for me

i'm just still resisting , because i like the tempo of that music
and the groove

minimal is just too slow for me ( for a whole night anyway )
and schranz too fast ( for a whoile night)

we need mid paced techno

well i do anyway


more ideas

[Aratron]

how about more bland shite written on ableton?

[dan the acid man]

how about more bland shite written on ableton?

eh? how do you know which tracks have been written on ableton then? The answer is you can't, it doesn't matter what the music is written on, a badly written tune is a badly written tune, no matter if it was written on cubase, ableton, logic or pro tools.

Seems these days because alot of sales are down, even more people are jumping on the latest bandwagons to make ends meat.

I just wish every artist out there would write what comes out of their heart, that's whats lacking these days

[rhythmtech]

eh? how do you know which tracks have been written on ableton then? The answer is you can't, it doesn't matter what the music is written on, a badly written tune is a badly written tune, no matter if it was written on cubase, ableton, logic or pro tools.

Seems these days because alot of sales are down, even more people are jumping on the latest bandwagons to make ends meat.

I just wish every artist out there would write what comes out of their heart, that's whats lacking these days

exactly.. nothing to do with software.

sure werent some recent hydrualix done on ableton?

[Aratron]

eh? how do you know which tracks have been written on ableton then? The answer is you can't, it doesn't matter what the music is written on, a badly written tune is a badly written tune, no matter if it was written on cubase, ableton, logic or pro tools.

Seems these days because alot of sales are down, even more people are jumping on the latest bandwagons to make ends meat.

I just wish every artist out there would write what comes out of their heart, that's whats lacking these days

well i obviously made a crassly narrow-minded statement there based on 0% insight into music production, i have heard stuff from Force written on Ableton and it has sounded amazing and i know the divide writes stuff on cubase and that is shit hot aswell

however you look on todays techno on Juno, each track sounds the same or imo is boring as hell, thats why i love acidt echno at its best, its creative, funny, dark , emotional or at least it was.

[Little_Fella!]

Creativity, in my mind, is all about energy, drive, motivation and excitement about what you are creating...

When this has waned then it shows in finished product... tunes can be lacklustre with no sense of direction or purpose...

Developing purpose is the most important elixir for creativity...:)

[RDR]

the thing is chaps
production itself is not the issue here
it's WRITING thats the issue

Thats true... but then there have always been producers who ignored this and did perfectly well.

bailey , sneo , beyer , henrik b , leibing , advent , krome , skoog and many more

ALL of them used loops too in one way or another. And all of them produced a million bollox pieces of music that never saw the light of day. the loops argument (scuse me if you did raise if mate) is dragged out YET again. Loops have their place. and if used within context can sound great.

[davethedrummer]

Thats true... but then there have always been producers who ignored this and did perfectly well.




ALL of them used loops too in one way or another. And all of them produced a million bollox pieces of music that never saw the light of day. the loops argument (scuse me if you did raise if mate) is dragged out YET again. Loops have their place. and if used within context can sound great.

no i didn't actually say anything about loops
at least i don't think i did
no it's nothing to do with that loops is loops i got nothing for or against them
anyway in hindsight i think this is all going a bit too negative
so i'm off down the shops to find some great new trax and i'll get back here when i've found something you can listen to and tell me if i'm just getting old and my taste in music is shit

not yet si...i said when i get back...it may not be until next year but.....

[RDR]

no i didn't actually say anything about loops
at least i don't think i did
no it's nothing to do with that loops is loops i got nothing for or against them
anyway in hindsight i think this is all going a bit too negative
so i'm off down the shops to find some great new trax and i'll get back here when i've found something you can listen to and tell me if i'm just getting old and my taste in music is shit

not yet si...i said when i get back...it may not be until next year but.....

Ooops, my bad... i'd started ranting there.

[Si the Sigh]

Back to the roots, just like mnml.