you will shoot me for saying it but....

[RDR]

no i didn't actually say anything about loops
at least i don't think i did
no it's nothing to do with that loops is loops i got nothing for or against them
anyway in hindsight i think this is all going a bit too negative
so i'm off down the shops to find some great new trax and i'll get back here when i've found something you can listen to and tell me if i'm just getting old and my taste in music is shit

not yet si...i said when i get back...it may not be until next year but.....

Ooops, my bad... i'd started ranting there.

[nihilist]

it is getting very negative but then again i've noticed over the last few years to much of it, techno seems to have been split into so many subdivisions that its all or nothing for most poeple, it's either to fast to slow to hard etc. etc. what ever happened to just going to club to enjoy whatever dj's want to play?

forget tesco's get down to kwiksave they have loads of bankrupt stock going.

[RDR]

it is getting very negative but then again i've noticed over the last few years to much of it, techno seems to have been split into so many subdivisions that its all or nothing for most poeple, it's either to fast to slow to hard etc. etc. what ever happened to just going to club to enjoy whatever dj's want to play?

forget tesco's get down to kwiksave they have loads of bankrupt stock going.

Actually i wasnt being negative. cant speak for anyone else.

my stand point is: what the hell is techno anyway?

[ds2]

what are you talking about
tesco is a fantastic record shop !
much better than sainburys and cheaper too
and you buy a new pair of trousers and some salad at the same time.

you're right of course, i'm glad there's a tesco on every corner now... and they deliver!
i used to hate having to go in 3 or 4 different grocers to get my weekly shop,
fortunately i'll never have to do that again since all my local grocers are now closed
and boarded up.

[dirty_bass]

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

Wow.
I was saying that about 2 years ago in this place, and got shot down for it.
Funny how times change.

Part of the problem to me is patience.
No one has any, any more.
People get a release, think they`ve made it, and then jam out the tracks, like a machine gun. And distributers will jump on any name they think is vaguely hot, as they are desperate for sales. so you see people appear, ram out loads of similar shit, then dissapear only for someone just the same to do the same.
There`s little personality going into it.
No thought going into it, just anything will do as long as you can mix with it.
If it`s a lazy production that does sod all, who cares, just mix another two tracks over it when you are on the decks.

What happened to those tunes that are still in your head when you get home?
those "what the **** was that??" moments, that make you duck for cover, or jump like a loon.

The way techno has gone, pretty much made me decide to stop releasing and producing for anything but live pa, until recently when I got a new wind.
the market was just full of nothing tracks for DJ`s, and I simply didn`t think I could contribute anything to that, not anything that I could genuinly feel good about producing myself.

I`ve finally got myself to a financially comfortable point, where I can continue to do just what the **** I want now, and experiment like crazy, without worrying about sales, and so I will be.

and I`m finding other people who are on the same tip now, hopefully I`ll be releasing their stuff, as no one else seems to want to risk it, more`s the pity.

More musicians, and less DJ`s is what we need.

[dirty_bass]

i dont think this is the case at all.. i think a lot of producers may have started out trying to "copy" a certain style but this is just a learning period really.

off the top of my head i cant think of 1 producer who sounds like henry or lawrie.. i think possibly people are writing similiar styles but this is the same in every "scene".. how many indie bands are there doing the indie thing?

There`s loads of producers who sound like Henry.
Similar basslines, even similar EQ distribution. riffs.
that`s a good compliment to Henry.

Lawrie I see less copied. (pounding grooves), but then it`s a slightly harder sound to achieve anyway (although it`s again, had henry`s hand in it anyway)

god bless ya henry
I just realised

You da man!!

[dirty_bass]

You are completely missing the point.

At NO stage does having accessible technology make the quality of the music go down. Where does it say that people enjoy making crap quality music, and what on earth makes people think that everything will get WORSE?

Its too easy to make music? No it isnt, the fundamentals of music didnt change overnight you know.

And how on earth is it made worse with internet distribution? What worse than the owners of a well known defunct distro piping up the crack and gambling 10k a week? worse than small minded distro owners raping the jesus out of artists who did nothing wrong other than be forced into a ropey P+D deal because there was **** all else for them to do?

Nowt personal but i get REALLY sick of people slagging this off (and yes i do have a vested interest, however im hardly likely to sell much through BOA so this is IMO fo course)

The MP3 and digital revoution is just that, move with the times or get swamped, the music industry changes.

In one respect there are many many many SHITE music writers out there, but the digital revolution gives people HOPE, it opens doors that were closed. And its ALWAYS the young who create and shape trends, rather than the OG's attempting to hang onto markets they created that no longer work.

I am a lover of techno, a fan of henry's stuff and and old orbit head, if techno is to survive and remain fresh it has to change and we have to undertsand that we might not like where its going. I for one dont care, i want to hear new - fresh - well produced and unusual music.

FFS - techno is about all those sounds you never heard before, so why do people moan when it changes?

Great post.
the mp3 revolution finally tips the balance back in the favour of the artists.
No longer held to ransom buy the ditribution machine, it frees the artist from trends, and sales fear, and the tastes of distributers.
It`s very empowering.

[davethedrummer]

you're right of course, i'm glad there's a tesco on every corner now... and they deliver!
i used to hate having to go in 3 or 4 different grocers to get my weekly shop,
fortunately i'll never have to do that again since all my local grocers are now closed
and boarded up.

well you could always get out in the garden and grown your own you lazy sod!
or have you forgotten where food comes from?

[rhythmtech]

There`s loads of producers who sound like Henry.
Similar basslines, even similar EQ distribution. riffs.

cant think of one to be honest :whoops:

care to name any names?

[dirty_bass]

cant think of one to be honest :whoops:

care to name any names?

I don`t wanna get into mud slinging.
Virtually all london techno not made by the original london techno heads bears a heavy streak of henry in it.
some more than others

[rhythmtech]

i dunno.. i think when you're talking within such specific genres its a little hard to liken artists to one another as the similarities are more within the sound than anything else.

[fatcollective]

a lot of techno does sound the same, most people have the same influences and this sprials into your tracks, i dont think anyone intends to copy anyone, i think its just a case of being into the same kinda sound.

[dan the acid man]

how about more bland shite written on ableton?

eh? how do you know which tracks have been written on ableton then? The answer is you can't, it doesn't matter what the music is written on, a badly written tune is a badly written tune, no matter if it was written on cubase, ableton, logic or pro tools.

Seems these days because alot of sales are down, even more people are jumping on the latest bandwagons to make ends meat.

I just wish every artist out there would write what comes out of their heart, that's whats lacking these days

[rhythmtech]

eh? how do you know which tracks have been written on ableton then? The answer is you can't, it doesn't matter what the music is written on, a badly written tune is a badly written tune, no matter if it was written on cubase, ableton, logic or pro tools.

Seems these days because alot of sales are down, even more people are jumping on the latest bandwagons to make ends meat.

I just wish every artist out there would write what comes out of their heart, that's whats lacking these days

exactly.. nothing to do with software.

sure werent some recent hydrualix done on ableton?

[Aratron]

eh? how do you know which tracks have been written on ableton then? The answer is you can't, it doesn't matter what the music is written on, a badly written tune is a badly written tune, no matter if it was written on cubase, ableton, logic or pro tools.

Seems these days because alot of sales are down, even more people are jumping on the latest bandwagons to make ends meat.

I just wish every artist out there would write what comes out of their heart, that's whats lacking these days

well i obviously made a crassly narrow-minded statement there based on 0% insight into music production, i have heard stuff from Force written on Ableton and it has sounded amazing and i know the divide writes stuff on cubase and that is shit hot aswell

however you look on todays techno on Juno, each track sounds the same or imo is boring as hell, thats why i love acidt echno at its best, its creative, funny, dark , emotional or at least it was.

[Little_Fella!]

Creativity, in my mind, is all about energy, drive, motivation and excitement about what you are creating...

When this has waned then it shows in finished product... tunes can be lacklustre with no sense of direction or purpose...

Developing purpose is the most important elixir for creativity...:)

[paulcortex]

its all in the trip...i love making trippy and spaced out sounds...and for me the tb303 fits the gap nicely...its not all about acid though...most tracks these days have lost the trippy edge....not hypnotic in the musical sense...they tend to rely on drum loops to do this...monotonous 909 drum loops with a smidge of compression and no real direction...i guess the change in the drugs scene hasnt helped...acid techno was born from the free party scene where people were mashed on pills and acid and craved the trippier sounds that Henry...Guy...Lawrie et all produced...then along came ketamine...great for sofa surfing at home...but on the dance floor it turned everone into techno mongs...and the music reflected this...i guess it will be hard to get it back to how it was....if thats whats required, personally i love the more old skool sound, with the real analogue sounds and more of a live feel, unfortunately the way technology is going its all to easy to knock a track up with no real thought and unfortunatley these tracks seem to be getting released.
Its mainly the labels faults for signing this crap. i guess techno (especially acid techno)has painted itself into a corner...and unless some serious rethinking is done then our favourite genre may just have its days numbered.

[AcidTrash]

Techno went up its own arse a while ago. The moment people started stigmatising tunes with a sense of humour as being hard dance or cheese.

This is why I dont bother coming out anymore. Who the hell wants to listen to 8 hours of glitched loops?

It was the drive for "intelligent techno" that screwed it all up. Feck that shoyte. I spend my weekdays chasing mice round my brain and getting wrinkles working about stuff. If I'm going out for a boogiie I want vacuous stupid predictable silliness I can bounce around to until I think my hearts going to explode.

The last tune I heard that fitted the description was Hotwire by 'is lordship. The first cheerful tune in ages.

[AcidTrash]

keeping to question of why so many crap tunes not what peeps wanna hear when the go out allthough that is a good interesting topic.

i think it comes down to;

1) Location
2) Who you know
3) What you know
4) How much money you have
5) How much money you can afford to loose.

EXACTLY.

[fatcollective]

Techno went up its own arse a while ago. The moment people started stigmatising tunes with a sense of humour as being hard dance or cheese.

This is why I dont bother coming out anymore. Who the hell wants to listen to 8 hours of glitched loops?

It was the drive for "intelligent techno" that screwed it all up. Feck that shoyte. I spend my weekdays chasing mice round my brain and getting wrinkles working about stuff. If I'm going out for a boogiie I want vacuous stupid predictable silliness I can bounce around to until I think my hearts going to explode.

The last tune I heard that fitted the description was Hotwire by 'is lordship. The first cheerful tune in ages.

u dont go to techno nights because your into scouse house ya nerd!! :rockin: