wonky techno

[ReakZ]

definitely not enough,well there are lots of wonky techno tracks but only few pleases my ears :) >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonky_techno

[djfilthmonger]

There are many different time signatures.

Most Techno is 4/4, though if there are odd time signatures to be found, the experimental guys are as likely as anyone.

Does wonky techno have a different time signature?

[TechMouse]

Does wonky techno have a different time signature?

Not definitively.

I'd say the vast majority of it is 4/4.

Sometimes with a lot of shuffle, others not.

You get the occasional all over the shop time signature, but it's rare.

[TechMouse]

any examples?

Nope. :)

I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

[detfella]

Lidell was the bomb when he did techno, y'know, drop 2 records that were absolutely mindblowing, in the ideas, programming and productions, and then just go "right, bored of that, gonna do something else"..

it's like when john clees did Fawlty towers, y'know, 2 series and that's all you're getting, so it never went sour.

did he work on some of the subhead tracks as well?

aeox all the way for me...love there punk techno vibe and their production always sounds so raw and griity just the way i like it!

[DVNT]

Si Begg plays a lot of what I'd term wonky techno.

[crime]

did he work on some of the subhead tracks as well?

He engineered at least 1 to 4 or 5 I believe, possibly up to about 10, although I'm not exactly sure. As Phil Subhead (Aka DJ Sueme) put it. "He was like some quiet student kid, with me and Jason freaking him out, screaming at him, more like this, more like that"

when you listen to 03 and 04 you can definitely hear a bit of Lidell in there, especially when compared to "Freakin the frame". I believe that the stuff from around this period (94-97) had a specific quality which hasn't really ever been matched.. I listen to my own stuff and believe it can't really compete to the original stuff from this era, although it's very difficult to be objective listening to your own stuff I think...

[The Overfiend]

Old Dj Rush Maniac ep on Djax, sweet.

[TechMouse]

although it's very difficult to be objective listening to your own stuff I think...

That's a universal truth if ever I heard one.

[crime]

Old Dj Rush Maniac ep on Djax, sweet.

see, there's a classic from back in the day, that was "wonky" before the term was coined.. it all went wrong when people started trying to fit in with the "genre", to me the music started sounding too contrived.. maybe I'm repeating myself here though

Old rush was real quality though... I remember Magic Feet magazine raving about him around this time, and he wasn't that big at the time, saying "if he can spin like he produces, he's going to be massive"...

I'm currently into the kind of twisted end of minimal, there seems to be some stuff coming out right now which is reminicent of the old vogel and landstrumm stuff like the new False record on M_nus, Audion, Sleeparchive along with No-future related stuff like Vogel's "Sleep Debt" label & "Hand on the plow".

I had my phase of writing and playing harder music a few years back, but the deeper music always has the staying power, and having been originally into the kind of more minimal house smokescreen were playing years ago like relief and the chicago stuff on Djax I suppose it's natural fior me to drift back into stuff like this..

and this is the thing for me, I suppose the word Wonky can end up describing so much different stuff, in the same way that the word "techno" can mean so many different things to so many different people.. wonky house anyone?

[module]

personally, i always found 'wonky' as jus a descriptive word for techno that was quite shuffly & had wacky bendy synths with jerky percussion.. i used it the way i use the words hard, deep, linear, stripped... not as a genre, but as a way of describing the feel..

for me, the zenith of this was artists liek Landstrumm, Vogel, Lidell, Begg, Schmidt, Berkovi, Subhead.. on labels such as Drought, Sativae, No Future, Tresor, Scandinavia, Penalty.. all back around 94 thru 98ish.. i always enjoyed it, but i found it pretty awkward to mix the way i started to go with my djing.. it jus didnt lend itself to 3 deckin or using extra drumachines or the like.. almost too individual to be used as dj tool for layering.. lots of it felt like individual tracks as opposed to components that would be used in a set to create sumthin new.. if ya follow me..

but,like anything, some clubs were jus playing it all night.. 5 hours of anything gets pretty dull when its the same vibe at the same pace..

theres a style of techno that is quite eccentric & spikey.. but to try & nail it into a box is stupid.. imo :)

[DannyBlack]

i love wonky techno, its silly. should be called silly-tech

[crime]

i love wonky techno, its silly. should be called silly-tech

EJECT, EJECT.....

[DannyBlack]

Blast, I'm taking hits from left and right, EJECT, EJECT.....

lol, you misunderstand matey... i actually love wonky techno!
im listening to a set by 'meatsweeper' and i love it. silly=a good thing!

[crime]

lol, you misunderstand matey... i actually love wonky techno!
im listening to a set by 'meatsweeper' and i love it. silly=a good thing!

this is precisely why I'm bailing out of the whole thing, there came a point where it just got too silly... gonna kill off my artist name, give up music for a year, and if I do start up again, no-one will make the connection for a while...

I'm personally pretty serious about my music..

what do you think this so-called "wonky techno" is anyway? I've never heard of what you're talking about...

[wrong]

personally, i always found 'wonky' as jus a descriptive word for techno that was quite shuffly & had wacky bendy synths with jerky percussion.. i used it the way i use the words hard, deep, linear, stripped... not as a genre, but as a way of describing the feel..

for me, the zenith of this was artists liek Landstrumm, Vogel, Lidell, Begg, Schmidt, Berkovi, Subhead.. on labels such as Drought, Sativae, No Future, Tresor, Scandinavia, Penalty.. all back around 94 thru 98ish.. i always enjoyed it, but i found it pretty awkward to mix the way i started to go with my djing.. it jus didnt lend itself to 3 deckin or using extra drumachines or the like.. almost too individual to be used as dj tool for layering.. lots of it felt like individual tracks as opposed to components that would be used in a set to create sumthin new.. if ya follow me..

but,like anything, some clubs were jus playing it all night.. 5 hours of anything gets pretty dull when its the same vibe at the same pace..

theres a style of techno that is quite eccentric & spikey.. but to try & nail it into a box is stupid.. imo :)

Thats pretty much the crux of it .. only thing i have different views on is the need to layer stuff over stuff/3 decks/with drum machine... I guess thats a different thing again.. like wanting to create a slab of sound from different elements, as opposed to wanting to create a set/journey full of tracks that don't need to be layered cos they're already there.. Different philosophies... int techno great!

[djfilthmonger]

"i love the shit that gathers between toes..."- DJ Filthmonger


Indeed i do ,Toe cheese

[crime]

Thats pretty much the crux of it .. only thing i have different views on is the need to layer stuff over stuff/3 decks/with drum machine... I guess thats a different thing again.. like wanting to create a slab of sound from different elements, as opposed to wanting to create a set/journey full of tracks that don't need to be layered cos they're already there.. Different philosophies... int techno great!

you can always mix up loads of stuff, some stuff that layers up nicely on 3 decks & then drop the odd thing that doesn't...

early vogel ala absolute time etc you could spin with 3 decks anyhow.. goes nicely with studio 1 & basic channel...

[DannyBlack]

this is precisely why I'm bailing out of the whole thing, there came a point where it just got too silly... gonna kill off my artist name, give up music for a year, and if I do start up again, no-one will make the connection for a while...

I'm personally pretty serious about my music..

what do you think this so-called "wonky techno" is anyway? I've never heard of what you're talking about...

i never catogorised it as wonky, i just thought it was a hyper funky style of techno...

[massplanck]

Vogel & Landstrumm & Mills & Rob Hood & Basic Channel & Dave Clarke were all just called techno back in the day.

Anyone who does a mix and calls it "detroit techno mix" "wonky techno mix vol 1" "schranz mix vol 2" needs a friendly dropkick to the head. If you cant call it good techno by itself youve missed the point (and probably overlooked 1000's of amazing records because they dont conform). If you want call yourself a techno fan you probably should start your mix with brian eno and finish up with nasenblunten "cunt face". Its easy to get excited when you hear a new 'genre' name: your thinking its gonna be just like 1990 all over again or something. > my advice is just keep hunting for records that can mesmesrize/rock/scare you and a crowd be they at 70 bpm or 150 bpm. And NEVER ever think that you have finally nailed your sound, keep searching