try explaining the point of such randomly moaning threads and maybe you wont get people who are involved in the scene your berating giving you their opinions. It's the same for every subgenre, music bobs along in waves, one year everyone is making hard techno, the next everyone will be making tribal etc and it just repeats and repeats, that's how it goes. Those who truely love and have a commitement to making said style will always shine through and be there when those who jump the wagon are onto their next thing