minimal minimal everywhere minimal.

[dirty_bass]

word. ppl loving the Red Seal sound need to keep an eye out for Player 029, dropping this November, a thunderous 4 tracker produced by Nuccle and Ignition Technician.

Word to that. would be lovely to see some more Nuccle business.

We don`t need more hard techno, there`s enough amateur hard techno being churned out now by the one-year-on-fruity-and-now-I`m-due-a-release-squad now that all the decent producers are making minimal.
What we need is quality producers making qaulity techno techno, and the harder edge of it.
I think less releases but more quality stuff is needed to take techno out of the rather embarassing poor average standard it has reached.

Overall the production standards of techno seem to be the worst in dance music, when taken as an average. This never used to be so

[Mucky Beats]

i as many im sure have changed my opinion on the minmal thing... at first i was like wow all this minimal bollocks seemed to infect the world and the big producers shifted to it ...i thought due to the money and fame in it and i was also pissed off with everyother tune in juno being some minimal number or another! but then with time i have seen the minimal thing for what it is a form of techno that has its place in the sceane and is bringing people over to techno in a big way... also having bought a bit and mixed it out have seen how the well produced stuff is really quite cool and can be "banginig" in its own way.... shit 6 months ago i would of laughed at someone saying this.... truth is those who love harder stuf i.e. people like me will always do so and that will never change... just as techno people we should embrace new forms and not push them away as in truth we are gettin smaller by doing so and if we embrace as the rest of mainland europe seems to be we can be bigger and have a true diverse sound. shit i could be wrong just minimal has been round since day one just now it is expanding and taking a lead form and now after much thought i feel its good not bad.

one thing as with all music there is bad djs and rubbish tunes... and this is very true in the minimal world ...but also is it not in the harder scene?

[Tiptoe]

i told you i'd convert you to gay mullet techno mackie.

[Microdot]

i as many im sure have changed my opinion on the minmal thing... at first i was like wow all this minimal bollocks seemed to infect the world and the big producers shifted to it ...i thought due to the money and fame in it and i was also pissed off with everyother tune in juno being some minimal number or another! but then with time i have seen the minimal thing for what it is a form of techno that has its place in the sceane and is bringing people over to techno in a big way... also having bought a bit and mixed it out have seen how the well produced stuff is really quite cool and can be "banginig" in its own way.... shit 6 months ago i would of laughed at someone saying this.... truth is those who love harder stuf i.e. people like me will always do so and that will never change... just as techno people we should embrace new forms and not push them away as in truth we are gettin smaller by doing so and if we embrace as the rest of mainland europe seems to be we can be bigger and have a true diverse sound. shit i could be wrong just minimal has been round since day one just now it is expanding and taking a lead form and now after much thought i feel its good not bad.

one thing as with all music there is bad djs and rubbish tunes... and this is very true in the minimal world ...but also is it not in the harder scene?

word. quality minimal techno has been around for years. DJ Hell's totmacher, substance abuse, traintrax etc by FUSE, alien phreak by DBX, moveable parts ep and countless other trax by Rob Hood.
personally, I've no problem with minimal techno at all, been playing it in me sets since 91.
I can see the reasoning behind the bpms coming down too.
doesn't stop Richie Hawtin being a bellend though.

[eyeswithoutaface]

in what way is it the pot calling the kettle black son?

in that thread, I was voicing concerns about the actions of millionaire popstars making it harder for independent artists to make a living (which if you found hilararious you must either be very, very easily amused or as thick as pigshit).
you, on the other hand, were continually whinging at someone who was concerned that there's a lack of good hard techno around and that everyone is jumping on the minimal bandwagon, despite the fact they'd explained themselves in a civilised and coherant way.

like I said, give it a rest.
try to treat your fellow forum users with a little more respect and not go on the offensive every time someone posts an opinion that's different to yours.

the thread didnt concern you whatsoever until you decided to tell me to give it a rest, there was no continuing whinging at someone, i replied to the thread with my opinion and a discussion formed from there, a really good one at that. Nothing more nothing less, so errr yeah, try giving it a rest yourself.

i would expect anyone to stick up for a genre they are involved in on here be it minimal, hard techno, schranz etc etc and to give their opinion in whatever manner they wish.

and i dont go on the offensive at all everytime someone posts an opinion that's different to mine, im really not sure where you got that from, but yeah anyways

here's your dummy back and back on topic.......

[Microdot]

yet another whinging post

if you dont like minimal, why waste your time moaning about it?

There is tons of non-minimal techno out there if you just look

i really dont understand post's like this at all, i mean what were you hoping to achieve with this post? what did you want to say that hasnt been said about every subgenre within techno a million times before?

yeah right.
not offensive at all.

btw, sorry for posting in a thread that has "nothing to do with me". I'll be sure to keep out of the Techno Discussion forum in future.

[wenna]

you have no face you are just eyes hahaha

[eyeswithoutaface]

yeah right.
not offensive at all.

btw, sorry for posting in a thread that has "nothing to do with me". I'll be sure to keep out of the Techno Discussion forum in future.

im glad you know how to quote, but its a shame you dont know what context to quote in. That wasnt what you claimed below, which was "continous moaning at someone", that was the FIRST thing i said to the guy, which technically makes it the first actual interaction me and that guy have had, thus rendering your "continous moaning at someone" point null and void.

and you dont have to apologise to me mate, you can post here no worries, the more the merrier :)

[The Overfiend]

We don`t need more hard techno, there`s enough amateur hard techno being churned out now by the one-year-on-fruity-and-now-I`m-due-a-release-squad now that all the decent producers are making minimal.
What we need is quality producers making qaulity techno techno, and the harder edge of it.
I think less releases but more quality stuff is needed to take techno out of the rather embarassing poor average standard it has reached.

Overall the production standards of techno seem to be the worst in dance music, when taken as an average. This never used to be so

Who do you mean? For example.

[eyeswithoutaface]

you have no face you are just eyes hahaha

hence the name ;)

[wenna]

if you need to sneeze, what then........

[eyeswithoutaface]

i dont have bodily functions, remember, im just eyes :)

[module]

Word to that. would be lovely to see some more Nuccle business.

We don`t need more hard techno, there`s enough amateur hard techno being churned out now by the one-year-on-fruity-and-now-I`m-due-a-release-squad now that all the decent producers are making minimal.
What we need is quality producers making qaulity techno techno, and the harder edge of it.
I think less releases but more quality stuff is needed to take techno out of the rather embarassing poor average standard it has reached.

Overall the production standards of techno seem to be the worst in dance music, when taken as an average. This never used to be so

maybe your standards have risen ?

[Mucky Beats]

i told you i'd convert you to gay mullet techno mackie.

HEHEHE NEVER

[Mucky Beats]

word. quality minimal techno has been around for years. DJ Hell's totmacher, substance abuse, traintrax etc by FUSE, alien phreak by DBX, moveable parts ep and countless other trax by Rob Hood.
personally, I've no problem with minimal techno at all, been playing it in me sets since 91.
I can see the reasoning behind the bpms coming down too.
doesn't stop Richie Hawtin being a bellend though.

TOO RIGHT....AND YES SVEN AND RICHIE ARE FAR TO FRUITY FOR THERE OWN GOOD HAHAHA.....ANYONE SEEN THAT STRANGE UNICORN CARTOON PEOPLE SAY THEY DID??

[Mucky Beats]

i dont have bodily functions, remember, im just eyes :)

GUNNA POKE THEM OUT ONE OF THESE DAYS YA BUGGER HAHAHA

[eyeswithoutaface]

:)

[dirty_bass]

maybe your standards have risen ?

Not really, back when I was a DJ, I went for good tunes, and always picked the better sounding stuff.

Look back.

Cold Dust
Wilson
Skoog
Henrik B
Henze
Laidback Luke
Beyer
Misjah
Hertz
Bacto
etc

Tuff mid range techno, but the production rocked. It was pro.
All these guys put out stuff that production wise was comparable to house which has always had more money behind it, and a lot of big studio productions.
It meant techno had a standard, on average, that was pretty good. The guys making it, regardless of big money support or not, really did know their stuff, and kept the bar at a good level.

Now we have all the big hitters (well, most, some still fly the flag), doing the minimal thing. Nothing wrong with that.
But in the mid range sound of techno, we have labels run by people who haven`t yet reached the above standard, getting tracks in by people way below that standard.

The quality control is shot to ****.

Too many people making music "in machine" with software.
Now I`m an advocate of software, but you need some knowledge of the old school, phat, hardware sound, to be able to reproduce it with the new tech.
A lot of these guys have been bashing on whatever DAW they picked up last year, and end up with a substandard product because they have never experienced, or had the knowledge (or spent the time to find out) of how things sounded when put through proper gear.

I still listen to everything.

Drum and bass, tired or not, still has a good standard. Now they have the dubplate culture, and a good healthy pecking order where the shit that doesn`t hit the mark gets cussed down real quick, so things remain fairly constant with them.

House, still at a high standard, there`s still a lot of pro studio stuff coming out keeping the bar high for everyone to shoot for.

Dubstep is almost all about the quality by it`s nature, so no probs there.

Breaks again, now very closely intertwined with house still has a good average standard.

Hip hop/R&B etc obviously more money behind it, so there`s a lot of serious studio money keeping average standards up.

Now techno, apart from minimal, where standards are kept pretty high on average, is falling down into the amateur lands of gabba, hardcore etc. Which as a more rough and ready music has always been a bit of a mess overall.

I mean, production isn`t everything, obviously.
1st and foremost, you have to make a damn good tune.
But with so many people now having access to the means to make music, the bar should be getting higher, with the want to separate yourself from the quagmire (a-giggety-giggety-giggety), by spitting and shining till the cows come home.

I think there`s still good pro stuff coming out in the mid range techno area, Audio Assault for example, seem to have good quality control, but overall the average in this area of techno has dropped.

Rick rubin has a good philosophy on quality control. I think his avergae is from every artist, when they present him with music, he will take 1 in 10 tracks from them on average, then tell them to go back and make more music.

Anyway, that`s my 10 pence worth.
Gimme a sec to put on my rain hat before you shit on it.

[Split-Personality]

^^^^^^^^^^^^Good quality early morning read with me frosted shreddies reet there!

[Split-Personality]

Especially the point about the inherent attitude in DnB lending itself to quality control, I use to be well into my DnB. But when I hear it now I cant help but chuckle to myself thinking it got cheesy and none of the "rude-boyz" noticed.

Also interesing how music production software coupled with the instant exchange platform that is the internet gives rise to the birth and indeed the discovery of new talent, but brings with it waves of poor quality unimaginitive music.

So pro's and con's as with all things in life, gentlemen its out there if your willing to wade through it.