track structure and "dj tools"

[dirty_bass]

I know what you mean jay. No offense!!

I dunno... lets say you have 5 individual tracks making up your song... just loop them over different lengths.. 4 bar/7 bars/ 9 bars/18 bars/56bars whatever and let them do the work for you. Morphing in & out. Sounds simple. It actually is simple. The music just evolves. Its repeats itself but never the same way twce. You just plant the seed and watch it grow. Its what actual musicians (ie classical) do subconsciously. You give the listener a hint of what to expect ( ie predict) but you always surprise him/her with the expectedly unexpected. Now they expect something else... and you resolve it but at the same time deviate from it.... I'm not making sense.. but its a form of negative feedback. Chaos theory or something.

Its maths in motion. Thats what the most beautiful hypnotic (techno) music is.

If techno is about technology then maths is the language to express both.

I know exactly what your saying, although it`s horrible to put down musical beauty to maths. That`s like looking at the person you love most in the world as nothing but a predetermined collection of molecules.
Polyrythmic structures especially in melody are extremely hypnotic.
In fact to induce a hypnotic state one of the most reliable methods is with alpha level sounds played over each other so they phase in and out polyrythmically. I have a hole recording of alpha state hypnotic audio somewhere, from an oldpsychology lecture.
But again, it`s only one facet of music.
Xanakis is very interesting for looking into the visual reference patterns behind music, fractals etc.

I think there`s a time and a place for a DJ to lead, and play grooves, and a time to play music that actually does something. too much of one thing will always lead to stagnation.

[massplanck]

I know exactly what your saying, although it`s horrible to put down musical beauty to maths. .

maths is the universal language of the universe.

the fibonnachi series written in human form looks ugly for sure..



but in nature??









maths is beauty.

[Little_Fella!]

This is a really good counter argument to, "..there's too much looped up techno, so let's have more emphasis on telling a story.." etc. which we have had not so long back...

Was thinking about this and wondering where the middle ground might be, if there is such a place... 'story and tool' set up so if the DJ wishes to create and mold a journey mix to have the crowd following every move, or needs a goddam ciggy break as he/she is half-way through a four hour mix-athon then such a track would be ideal...:-)

[Little_Fella!]

I do like the, 'Mathematics in motion', analogy by the way...

There is another discussion point already in the making...