Vinyl Most Desirable Format

[Aratron]

wow, such a detailed thread, best source's going are those magazines or papers that we cant remember, so reliable....

anyway....

sound's like a crock of shit article to me



err, i've got some records that are older than me, some are nearly double my age. People have been putting practically every genre under the sun BUT techno onto vinyl years before dance music even came around. No one is realising they "want" vinyl at all, half the trouble with vinyl costs and availability is the fact that so many people do actually put stuff to vinyl, unfortunately it seems not enough people on the whole are buying it, but there has been a rise in vinyl sales in the 7" and 10" markets, more noticably in indie, rock, pop etc etc but this means absolutely jack shit for the techno scene.

When these kinds of articles or market research is taken, it's taken in places like HMV or written by people who it is safe to say wouldnt have heard of one single solitary techno artist on "our" level if you will if you stood there all day naming them but are infact people who might buy a White Stripes special edition double 12" because it comes on extra heavy duty vinyl with improved artwork or something, which is fair enough if they like the White Stripes, but this is a world away from a struggling independant label who havent even managed to break even on their last release, or worse still lost alot of money. Try telling them vinyl is on the way back and that sales are going through the roof and that infact they dont have to choose between putting out their next release or paying their rent or whatever.

the digital guys arent getting it wrong at all, they are simply finding a way to put their music to market the fastest and most efficient way that is possibly for THEM.

it's so, so easy to sit behind a computer and tell everyone that they should use vinyl because its great, but you've got to have at least a realistic sense of scene and perspective.

it's all well and good telling people to keep putting out vinyl, but it always seem's to be the same people who are reluctant to keep the scene afloat economically. Too many labels putting out vinyl, not enough people buying it. It's a very basic equation when it boils down to it.

you can take a horse to water....

as usual getting it completely wrong.

people want quality. high quality. they want something that means something.

theres a world of difference between my Led Zeppelin Collection on vinyl and having the same tunes in some file on some PC.

I have the aesthetic experience of looking at the artwork, of placing the vinyl on the platter of experiencing a superior quality analogue sound.

that what is missing quality and in my opinion love.

look at the old acid techno labels Pull The Strings , specially designed sleeve covers.

It used to be the same for Routemaster and suf. Specially Designed Sleeves and Artwork.
All you get know is some boring old black sleeve. There's no passion, no involvement anymore. That is what is missing.
I hear the lame arguments it costs too much to do this that and the other.
Bullshit. Poeple just don't care enough.

[eyeswithoutaface]

as usual getting it completely wrong.

people want quality. high quality. they want something that means something.

theres a world of difference between my Led Zeppelin Collection on vinyl and having the same tunes in some file on some PC.

I have the aesthetic experience of looking at the artwork, of placing the vinyl on the platter of experiencing a superior quality analogue sound.

that what is missing quality and in my opinion love.

look at the old acid techno labels Pull The Strings , specially designed sleeve covers.

It used to be the same for Routemaster and suf. Specially Designed Sleeves and Artwork.
All you get know is some boring old black sleeve. There's no passion, no involvement anymore. That is what is missing.
I hear the lame arguments it costs too much to do this that and the other.
Bullshit. Poeple just don't care enough.

as usual? i dont think so matey, mainly because i do have the ability to actually seperate from my personal preference and what actually is sustainable in a market place.

you obviously know what i mean because you have given a good example, so i couldnt of been getting it wrong at all. Dont start a discussion if you are just going to dismiss people's opinions

it's all well and good saying "people dont care enough, i want this that and the other from my artwork" but you have to realise that behind all these products someone is actually paying to get these things there, im sure you can handle that concept well enough?

i know what your saying, i too love picking up a nice vinyl album, admiring the artwork, smelling the plastic and everything else that comes with the vinyl experience, but unfortunately it seems not ENOUGH other people love this, when looking at this in a techno scene point of view. In terms of music in general, then of course people care still, otherwise there wouldnt be the rise in vinyl in certain areas that there is. But like i pointed out in the other thread, these people have good resources for promoting what they are putting out, so they ultimately can afford it. The likes of Routemaster, as much as you may love or did love the label, i would hazard a guess that they are selling ****ing pathetic numbers these days, i hope not, but i'd guess thats why now they just use nice, cheap buy in bulk black sleeves. Simply because they cant afford to have sleeves printed up, this is exactly how things work

everything needs money in the first place to be able to offer a professional product.

You cant run a champagne label on a lemonade budget

[Aratron]

i know what your saying, i too love picking up a nice vinyl album, admiring the artwork, smelling the plastic and everything else that comes with the vinyl experience, but unfortunately it seems not ENOUGH other people love this, when looking at this in a techno scene point of view.

given a choice between ham sold at ASDA for 99p and ham sold at M and S for 2.99 then the majority of folk will shop in ASDA.
btw please stop trying to score points off me all the time.
your obviously a bright talented lad. you dont need to score points off a bum like me.

[dan the acid man]

but people will only buy that ham if it's any good too.

[Aratron]

but people will only buy that ham if it's any good too.

people will buy anything if its cheap enough.

[eyeswithoutaface]

people will buy anything if its cheap enough.

well your right unfortunately, which applies to vinyl pressing too. Alot of people over in europe putting out amateur run labels, using shitty, cheapest possibly cutting houses etc and putting out vinyl that is of genuinely bad quality. Doesnt mean an inch what format its on if it comes out sounding like a tin of sardines being squashed with a brick

[eyeswithoutaface]

given a choice between ham sold at ASDA for 99p and ham sold at M and S for 2.99 then the majority of folk will shop in ASDA.
btw please stop trying to score points off me all the time.
your obviously a bright talented lad. you dont need to score points off a bum like me.

all depends on what town the ASDA and M n S is in. If we did that test in my town lets just say MnS would be throwing alot of ham away, or reducing it to 99p

and i dont know what the hell you mean about scoring points? i was just pointing out the extreme vagueness and fake optimism of what you posted. People do genuinely need to realise that vinyl sales and vinyls popularity within the techno scene simply is never going to get to the level it once was, regardless of digital or whatever other formats available, unless something REALLY drastic happens, most notably techno becoming a genre that appeals to people in a fashion sense, but then you have to think, is that what we really want anyway?

and thanks for pointing out my talent and brightness. appreciated

[Aratron]

and thanks for pointing out my talent and brightness. appreciated

:lol:

i forgot to mention your modesty aswell.

[massplanck]

:lol:

i forgot to mention your modesty aswell.

[davethedrummer]

as usual getting it completely wrong.

people want quality. high quality. they want something that means something.

theres a world of difference between my Led Zeppelin Collection on vinyl and having the same tunes in some file on some PC.

I have the aesthetic experience of looking at the artwork, of placing the vinyl on the platter of experiencing a superior quality analogue sound.

that what is missing quality and in my opinion love.

look at the old acid techno labels Pull The Strings , specially designed sleeve covers.

It used to be the same for Routemaster and suf. Specially Designed Sleeves and Artwork.
All you get know is some boring old black sleeve. There's no passion, no involvement anymore. That is what is missing.
I hear the lame arguments it costs too much to do this that and the other.
Bullshit. Poeple just don't care enough.

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