Hard Trance Events Scene Decline?

**Hakka.** · 07-12-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Louk

in terms of productions, I am finding artists like Scot Project and Wavetraxx two producers who i would have gladly bought tonnes of material by, sounding the same now and running out of ideas. It's the same with other producers and i call it "flutlicht syndrome" as they were the worst ones for it where using the same samples/soundsets in each tune - despite the tunes sounding good got to the stage where they were nothing special anymore. The hardstyle producers are even worse at doing this in my opinionw hich is why hard trance is my preferred style of the two. This meant stale sounding music (Even though im a hardstylke fan as well). Producers like Digital Pressure, Jon Doe, Marco V, Andreas Kraemer and Marcos have however done blinding work this year and should be commended.

Louk

Good post Louk. One thing I've always had since I was little was ideas. they may be implausible or whackey, but I've never been able to not think my way out of a situation. Bizarrely drugs have hinderd my brain... I can feel myself not as sharp as I used to be, but in the same light it has given me another perspective to think and feel from.

Music is a huge challenge producing wise for me. I have ideas I so far, but cannot deliver them how I want them to be heard. I will one day (I hope!)... they may be popular or may be not, but I'm still going to pursue them. It seems to happen to all producers at some point, they struggle to make something that they have not done before, even with long gaps between releases. Now I really hope I get to that point some day. The day which I can't think my way out of something. Total Deadlock. I would love that so much... the problem is yourself... your own personal constrictions and boundries of ideas. Seems like the biggest personal challenge one could encounter. Freeing your mind from its own limits.

Perhaps I'm over-elaborating things... but hey its that perspective which motivates me to try things and to do things with music.

**Hakka.** · 07-12-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Voorheez

Hakka, I feel the complete opposite - I think tracks from a while back were under-appreciated because they was so much good stuff around at the time they were released. Good tracks now are far more appreciated because there are so few around. Thus a track that I would have thought poor a year ago becomes decent enough now, because it's kinda like a drought of good tracks at the moment.
And Paul, I know what you mean, but it certainly doesn't apply to me with what i'm saying here - I like all forms of dance, I used to listen to funky house quite a bit, and I used to love trance and I feel exactly the same about these genres of dance, it's not just hard trance/hardstyle.

This is just my opinion, and hopefully everyone on this board now knows me enough to know that this isn't the kind of thing I would come out with filppantly.

Fair play mate... however I fear we both have the same opinion but don't release it - I think where you feel not as many good tracks are out at the moment I feel there is, but perhaps value them differently when looking over time. I'm juding todays tracks by todays standards. Admittedly, there's tracks I could reel off now that are amazing from years ago... however I still think that if they came out now and never existed in the past, they would not be as popular as they were. Apart of a track becomming brilliant is its ability to be unique and stand out. Not because its radically different, but because it opens doors and new ideas. Todays music has lots of ideas... but they are not as deep and as original as the great releases from 2 years ago.

**Carl** · 07-12-2003, 02:38 PM

the south west clubbing scene needs a kick up the arse ....

**baptismo** · 07-12-2003, 02:38 PM

This is a well cool post, seems to be two topics on the go, one about the state of clubbing, and one about the state of the music...

I think clubbing as a whole is reducing slightly (or evolving :) ), its not the new thing at the moment... once upon a time everyone wanted to go out clubbing, but at the present day its not the case... either way, there will still be clubs which rock, clubs which dont, and there will be highs and lows. I dont think the club scene will ever disappear...

I personally think the music is as good as ever, you do have to wade through the uneeded releases, but some of the productions around and the quality of them simply blow my mind. Im also loving the way dj's are begining to fuse sounds in their sets... i find it difficult to listen to a whole two hours of the same genre, but listening to some dj's twist from techno-y sounds to euphoric melodies really does tickle my fancy.
Ive really noticed a few fresh idea's and techniques these last few months... I think people should try and keep with this, theres always room for the old tryed and tested techniques but try and implement new fresh ones to your music aswell... This is what i strive for, dont think ive got there yet! but hopefully one day :)

**edk** · 07-12-2003, 03:42 PM

surley the sound is returning to roots, when i first got into underground music the only way i could hear the music i wanted was via a free party, played by sum faceless dj this is what made me fall in love with this sound, its rawness !! then i discovered the country club the first time i went there there was approx 60 people there, dressed down as much as possible ah the free party spirit in a club, there was no other place like it in the area. djs you never heard off rocking you socks off, more and more people started going more people dressed up and the scene round here grew. new club nights started, new promoters started and the scene hit a peak. fast forward to today shit loads of nights playing the same old stuff with the same djs. numbers have dwindled at nights. its my option the same amount of people are going out just at various nights spreading the events. i think people just want more. this covers all forms of dance music.
as louk said every night in the south west has ben eye, quality dj that he is i would like to here something different. if not it has some motionless italian/german swiss dj, whos cost the promoter a packet. id rather hear some bloke ive never heard of rocking me socks off going mad behind the decks. its abount the music not the dj.-
i saw mark recently at slinkys the place was rammed , a varitey of music was on offer all night with a good vibe i got to hear djs ive neared heard before i was having that same feeling again.
As mark said times are changing again as it did when trance/techno moved from the field to the club.
the music is a good as ever and i see a bright future.
as for the inter gene row hardstyle/trance thing this happened with drum and bass and jungle drum and bass is still hear although it nearley killed it.
its like praying to god you dont have to go to church to do it.

**french_og** · 07-12-2003, 10:34 PM

Does anyone else think maybe why these Hard Trance nights are in decline is because the music is being played by the more commercial dJs all over the place. I mean i went to Slinky in bristol a month or so ago (when Mark EG and Anne Savage wa playing) Anne Savage's set was more or less the same as a Dj Crow's set I heard him play at North a few months ago.
I would much prefere to go to an underground party anyday but for new people coming into the scene who like the music if they see Hard Trance nights being advertised on Radio1 and in Mixmag magazine they are going to go there as they know no different.

**Paul Nisbet** · 08-12-2003, 09:56 AM

I for one personally.... have never been happier.

Ive got tunes arriving on me door mat that still have me gushing with excitment.

Instead of questioning whats wrong and right with the scene, we should concentrate on building it and supporting it.

I just play on my decks, try to be good... and make a difference.

Imo there are so many djs out there, who are just plain shit. Mostly big names...

**majortom** · 08-12-2003, 11:33 AM

i think this topics on every ones mind at the moment, but i do see a big change in the muisc scene about to happen,i as a promoter am finding more techno for one being slipped in to the night, all though the nights do consist of mainly the hard trance there is a fair amount of techno and hardsyle being fused in there but these styles at the moment are only been added by a few residents. The main floor rockin matreial is still the hardtrance. If i look back over the last 3 years hard house had a massive period but all of a sudden it just died and hard trance went ballistic people started to find a new sound and formuler which opened new doors and interests for clubbers.... I think the scene is at a point now where its turning again but its turning slowly new things will come through and are, they just dont seem to be getting noticed by everyone staight away....

**Hakka.** · 08-12-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Paul Nisbet

I for one personally.... have never been happier.

Ive got tunes arriving on me door mat that still have me gushing with excitment.

Instead of questioning whats wrong and right with the scene, we should concentrate on building it and supporting it.

I just play on my decks, try to be good... and make a difference.

Imo there are so many djs out there, who are just plain shit. Mostly big names...

I know what you mean, but I'm one of those people who likes to think a lot and the future is important so I like to try and understand how things will go...

**Hakka.** · 08-12-2003, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by edk

surley the sound is returning to roots, when i first got into underground music the only way i could hear the music i wanted was via a free party, played by sum faceless dj this is what made me fall in love with this sound, its rawness !! then i discovered the country club the first time i went there there was approx 60 people there, dressed down as much as possible ah the free party spirit in a club, there was no other place like it in the area. djs you never heard off rocking you socks off, more and more people started going more people dressed up and the scene round here grew. new club nights started, new promoters started and the scene hit a peak. fast forward to today shit loads of nights playing the same old stuff with the same djs. numbers have dwindled at nights. its my option the same amount of people are going out just at various nights spreading the events. i think people just want more. this covers all forms of dance music.
as louk said every night in the south west has ben eye, quality dj that he is i would like to here something different. if not it has some motionless italian/german swiss dj, whos cost the promoter a packet. id rather hear some bloke ive never heard of rocking me socks off going mad behind the decks. its abount the music not the dj.-
i saw mark recently at slinkys the place was rammed , a varitey of music was on offer all night with a good vibe i got to hear djs ive neared heard before i was having that same feeling again.
As mark said times are changing again as it did when trance/techno moved from the field to the club.
the music is a good as ever and i see a bright future.
as for the inter gene row hardstyle/trance thing this happened with drum and bass and jungle drum and bass is still hear although it nearley killed it.
its like praying to god you dont have to go to church to do it.

you make some good points mate. I like the point you made regarding seeing a DJ you don't know and having a ****ing good night than seeing some strange eurpean producer who is taking home huge pay packet.

**Hakka.** · 08-12-2003, 06:42 PM

This thread has really made me feel more comfortable in accepting the future.

**Carl** · 08-12-2003, 06:43 PM

i dont really need to go into detail, not where the south west in concerned, in my eye more places seem to be closing than opening, which
means the scene is only goin one way down here
at themoment?!!!. the southwest club scene needs a kick up the arse - wheres all the all nighters these days?. the closure of the C.C. left a massive dent in the hardtrance scene i believe. is there anywhere that compares? even slightly?

**Hakka.** · 08-12-2003, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Carl

i dont really need to go into detail, not where the south west in concerned, in my eye more places seem to be closing than opening, which
means the scene is only goin one way down here
at themoment?!!!. the southwest club scene needs a kick up the arse - wheres all the all nighters these days?. the closure of the C.C. left a massive dent in the hardtrance scene i believe. is there anywhere that compares? even slightly?

perhaps its up to us. Everyone on the board two open a massive 12 hour techno and trance free party. 12 dj's off the techno board and 12 of us from the trance board.

Shall we plan it for next summer? and really go for it?

We could do it in Plymouth, using Crownhill Fort... like they are doing for NYE down here for D'n'B and Funky. It holds something like 3000 to 4000 people.

**Carl** · 08-12-2003, 06:52 PM

im in on that one Mark. definitely. talk is chaep eh? lets do it ... a free party with unrivalled atmosphere :lol: ;)

**Hakka.** · 08-12-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Carl

im in on that one Mark. definitely. talk is chaep eh? lets do it ... a free party with unrivalled atmosphere :lol: ;)

ok bud... I shall MSN with you soon and WE HAVE TO organise this, somehow.

**Carl** · 08-12-2003, 06:55 PM

well up for it mate :lol:

**Louk** · 08-12-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Hakka

We could do it in Plymouth, using Crownhill Fort... like they are doing for NYE down here for D'n'B and Funky. It holds something like 3000 to 4000 people.

NO ****ING WAY PLEASE EMAIL ME MORE MATE!!!! Louk2003@hotmail.com

I am well up for a d'n'b stomp out on NYE !!!!

Louk

**Carl** · 08-12-2003, 07:15 PM

**edk** · 08-12-2003, 08:16 PM

i think it appears the attention is being taken away from the dj and being given back to the music. the dj has become the focal point within the scence and people have begun to see this, its no amazing thing to be able to beatmatch and play a few records in a club, a lot "NOT ALL" of djs have got lazy and play the same set week in week out " see european producer on last post".
Its seems most agree the music avalible is better than ever, and i agree, so how can the scene be dying, i get rid of between 50 and 70 cds every 2 months, i am finding more people listening then ever before, just not wanting to pay stupid amounts of money to do it for a bit of the same old same old.
i go clubbing to listen to the music, not the dj

**Carl** · 08-12-2003, 08:41 PM

i go to

hahahahhaha

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