something deffo needs done...

[FuK-NuT]

erm some o us still like going out and dancing to techno....uz old cunts can stay in all yeh want am gona strive to make tings better!

;)

[RDR]

erm some o us still like going out and dancing to techno....uz old cunts can stay in all yeh want am gona strive to make tings better!

;)

Less with the old :lol: :hissyfit: :Angry:

The C u Nt word is fair play.

Oh, and we DO run a techno night ;)

www.puretechno.co.uk

[dirty_bass]

erm some o us still like going out and dancing to techno....uz old cunts can stay in all yeh want am gona strive to make tings better!

;)

It`s not that simple though. That`s too reductionist.
Otherwise why buy records at all, why not just buy a 909, turn it on, and let it run for 6 hours plugged into the soundsystem while all the gurners jump about.

People make the music, people play the music, people dance to the music people listen to the music, it`s an organic lifeform.
And the people making it need to be still excited for the people dancing to it to remain interested, and not get bored.
The people dancing still need to be energised by the music, and so expect the people making it to come up with the goods.
the people who appreciate it more solidly want to listen to it as well outside of the clubs, and expect more than just boom boom
the people making it need some kind of money to support them, the studios, and the vast amount of time required to be able to make music of good quality
etc etc etc etc etc
It all interacts.

It`s not easy to boil it down to....
We just wanna get mash up and jump about, who cares about the other stuff

It`s complex, and requires thought.

however it`s also fun and hedonistic.

[davethedrummer]

It`s not that simple though. That`s too reductionist.
Otherwise why buy records at all, why not just buy a 909, turn it on, and let it run for 6 hours plugged into the soundsystem while all the gurners jump about.

reductionist!
now i've heard it all !!!

[theledge]

And the people making it need to be still excited for the people dancing to it to remain interested, and not get bored.
.

Exactly, and it's the producers and djs who nurtured their love for techno by sweating it out for endless hours on the dancefloor, transfixed by the beauty and power of the music, who end up translating their experiences into music and performances which do the same for others

There's too many djs and producers who just sit at home scratching their arse and ego, the only time you see them in a club they're behind the decks sucking the promoters cock or handing out flyers, they should get on the dancefloor and maybe learn something

[theledge]

as far as this thread goes in general, i've seen loads of promoters **** up by booking big names and having no-one turn up, even back in the so-called glory days. It was invariably because they didn't know what they were doing, didn't know the local punters, probably never went out themselves and held the mistaken belief that spending loads of money on a big name would guarantee them hundreds of heads through the door. I'd say that's likely to be the case here too tbh

Big name djs with successful careers earning loads of money like speedy j are the end result of a succesful mature party scene/culture/whatever, they don't guarantee its existence in themselves, just by turning up and hey presto partytime

[Kells]

as far as this thread goes in general, i've seen loads of promoters **** up by booking big names and having no-one turn up, even back in the so-called glory days. It was invariably because they didn't know what they were doing, didn't know the local punters, probably never went out themselves and held the mistaken belief that spending loads of money on a big name would guarantee them hundreds of heads through the door. I'd say that's likely to be the case here too tbh

Big name djs with successful careers earning loads of money like speedy j are the end result of a succesful mature party scene/culture/whatever, they don't guarantee its existence in themselves, just by turning up and hey presto partytime

In other words or to put it short, No matter who the hell you have on the bill, you still have to promote the arse out of it to get the end result..

if you dont you WILL loose out

[theledge]

In other words or to put it short, No matter who the hell you have on the bill, you still have to promote the arse out of it to get the end result..

if you dont you WILL loose out

to be honest i think the words promote the night kind of put the wrong spin on what is needed. if you mean loads of glossy flyers i don't agree, what is needed is the creation of a unique excitement factor, bubbling up via word of mouth....not just another manuactured night with a star name but a real local social gathering....this doesn't come from flyers, it can probably only be achieved by years of cultivating relationships and friendships across your local community, sweating it out on the dancefloor or doing whatever you do best, people will then listen to you and come to your party cos they're your friends and not just consumers

and of course that makes it a pleasure for you too :)

[Kells]

to be honest i think the words promote the night kind of put the wrong spin on what is needed. if you mean loads of glossy flyers i don't agree, what is needed is the creation of a unique excitement factor, bubbling up via word of mouth....not just another manuactured night with a star name but a real local social gathering....this doesn't come from flyers, it can probably only be achieved by years of cultivating relationships and friendships across your local community, sweating it out on the dancefloor or doing whatever you do best, people will then listen to you and come to your party cos they're your friends and not just consumers

and of course that makes it a pleasure for you too :)

trust me flyers are a very very VERY small part of a good promotion.!!! not many people get to actually see a flyer...
Im not gonna sit here and type exactly what i call a good promotion, as that is my business as im sure you can appreciate, but believe me, i DO NOT mean loads of glossy flyers Lol..and i speak out of years experience...

Of course an event has to always have some degree of excitement factor, this is why people wanna come aint it? then of course people talk about the event giving word of mouth.as you mention, this is another part of promotion.... i mean if a night looks boring or un imaganative why would peopke wanna go in the first place or re visit a second time and so on..., i am not sure if you really understand what promoting an event really involves, especially in hard citys like Leeds for instance...it will be very similar for any big City..

take this one for example, last time Beltram was at Joy, our mates had Dave Clarke and Technasia on the same night in the same town, beltram and clarke even thought this was mad, but it was out of our hands, our event was marketed first. (i dropped beltram off at clarkes hotel for drinks), both nights were a sucess but still, we had to work our asses of... as friends were split with decisions on where to go, so you deffo meed more than just friends to be your customers and as i stressed before flyers make for a tiny part of the whole package.

also can you explain why the word "promote" puts a wrong spin on things....if you dont promote the event, their will be No event hehe, and even if you cultivate hundereds of friends as you say, you still have to promote it to these people dont you..


Out of interest, have you actually ever put on a event? i dont ask this question in a funny way im just interested to see where you are at with this..


I really do think the event in question at the start of this thread is down to lack of promotion, and/or lack of promotion to the right people etc., its hard for me to judge as i know little of the promotors in question so i reserve my words...

Hope i have made some sense here to you