something deffo needs done...

[Microdot]

its 2007 now, not 1991. some folk have moved on. hence why 20 people went to watch him play.

I've got 100% respect for Speedy J. but there's definitely some truth in what you're saying.

[djshiva]

frankly, if you are packing the house when you have locals playing, then you are doing a damn bit better than most techno nights that i know of in the states.

[Darkmode]

The original post that started this thread said exactly the opposite of that.

Perhaps what you are saying has resonance with big trance or 'pop' dance music events...

Sorry if you miss-understood in what I was saying basicly I was saying in general that some people that go to Techno nights held in the UK only go to them when when a big name Techno artist is playing & don't turn up when it's an artist they haven't heard of.

[Kells]

I've got 100% respect for Speedy J. but there's definitely some truth in what you're saying.

Some truth in that for sure, but stilll, Speedy is one of the busiest of all the djs, after speaking with him i can vouch for that!

Loads iof folk came especially to see him play @ Joy, we had a hell of alot of people calling about the event and asking about him, even after the event we had calls asking when the bloody event was...which is annoying !!

i dont think it would have mattered what DJ was on that night (where 20 people turned up), would have prob only been the same amount of folk their no matter what DJ was on

[Microdot]

thing is, its not just in the Techno scene this is happening.
In the past couple of years, in addition to many half empty Techno clubs, I've seen DJ Premier play to about 200 ppl, Flavor Flav entertain a crowd of about 50, and most shocking of all, Clipse in Leeds with a couple hundred there.. less than 200..one of the best live sets I've ever mind.

Radio One, MTV, Channel 4 etc have been pushing Rock music hard the past couple years, and alot of kids wanna go see bands instead these days..

[Kells]

thing is, its not just in the Techno scene this is happening.
In the past couple of years, in addition to many half empty Techno clubs, I've seen DJ Premier play to about 200 ppl, Flavor Flav entertain a crowd of about 50, and most shocking of all, Clipse in Leeds with a couple hundred there.. less than 200..one of the best live sets I've ever mind.

Radio One, MTV, Channel 4 etc have been pushing Rock music hard the past couple years, and alot of kids wanna go see bands instead these days..

Thing is, alot of the major citys, and Leeds for one are full of students who mainly wanna go to where they can show off their latest clothes and sunglasses, and obviously they all go to the same place as the rest of the students....alot of it now is not about the music anymore, its a shame but this is how it is, things like Mixmag dont help either,
To these people, the djs we think are big are almost or even totally unknown to them, unless of course they are big in ibiza or mixmag etc...

funny thing is, these kids think they are listening to techno, and half the time its anything but that!!!

[The Overfiend]

thing is, its not just in the Techno scene this is happening.
In the past couple of years, in addition to many half empty Techno clubs, I've seen DJ Premier play to about 200 ppl, Flavor Flav entertain a crowd of about 50, and most shocking of all, Clipse in Leeds with a couple hundred there.. less than 200..one of the best live sets I've ever mind.

Radio One, MTV, Channel 4 etc have been pushing Rock music hard the past couple years, and alot of kids wanna go see bands instead these days..

That's very true same thing is happening here in the states.
MTV pushes the emo thing to the fore front and everyone else is following trends that they see on Sucker Free
So while Primo and Mobb Deep used to fill stadiums they could hardly fill a poetry club now.
Maybe we need to get someone to infiltrate mixmag and jockeyslut and whatever other mag there are.
Truth be told.

[RDR]

thing is, its not just in the Techno scene this is happening.
In the past couple of years, in addition to many half empty Techno clubs, I've seen DJ Premier play to about 200 ppl, Flavor Flav entertain a crowd of about 50, and most shocking of all, Clipse in Leeds with a couple hundred there.. less than 200..one of the best live sets I've ever mind.

Radio One, MTV, Channel 4 etc have been pushing Rock music hard the past couple years, and alot of kids wanna go see bands instead these days..

The rock scene certainly is bigger than the last few years, things come round again and as ever its the perception of a certain type of music that matters to these kids and also where all the other kids go. Remember that even though they go to these nights its a mini meat market to them. Just go and stand outside the under 18s night at the Wely Club in Hull and watch em roll out at 10pm.. its like watching the old days at the orbit empty out at 2am.

[RDR]

Sorry if you miss-understood in what I was saying basicly I was saying in general that some people that go to Techno nights held in the UK only go to them when when a big name Techno artist is playing & don't turn up when it's an artist they haven't heard of.

Well thats ccertainly a truism. What do you think about the reverse though?

IMHO i think variation is the key, along with the event. I dont think just having a diet of techno is the answer and hasnt been for years. Different genres of music at the same event makes things much nicer, House, Techno and DnB in one event? Wicked.

After all you dont see events with different bands on all playing EXACTLY the same genre of music in their sets do you? Rock, Thrash, EMO, Ska, Ballad.

[FuK-NuT]

Maybe we need to get someone to infiltrate mixmag and jockeyslut and whatever other mag there are.
Truth be told.

this is exactly wot im firing at with this thread....youngin'z need it slapped into them sadly....i feel there aint enough happening to get our music across to the future ie the KIDS!!

after every event over the coarse of 4 years we have handed out at least 100 cd's to our punters mixed by ourselfs or guests gone by....shit hot way off gettin the randoms hooked on our music...think the big boys need to take time out do some free mix cd's and get um thrown out at gigs, leave um in records shops etc etc....?

[Darkmode]

Well thats ccertainly a truism. What do you think about the reverse though?

IMHO i think variation is the key, along with the event. I dont think just having a diet of techno is the answer and hasnt been for years. Different genres of music at the same event makes things much nicer, House, Techno and DnB in one event? Wicked.

After all you dont see events with different bands on all playing EXACTLY the same genre of music in their sets do you? Rock, Thrash, EMO, Ska, Ballad.

I think it also happens at other nights as well not just Techno or Electro even it has happened at Drum n Bass nights where people only turn up to see big names play. I don't understand why people do that but as someone said in the thread it's not about the music anymore. They go to see the big names coz it's the cool thing to do so they can brag off to their so called cliky cool mates that they saw such & such play in a club. We now are living in a sheep Culture where people have no mind of their own & take any old shite that is thrown down by their throats by the media.

[dirty_bass]

Dance Music isn`t the BIG thing in music media at the moment.
Techno was never the Biggest draw in dance music, so we are in a situation of being out of the spotlight (unless you count minimal, which no matter how hard you fume and rant, is just a sub set of house, so there).
I think it`s a good thing.
The days of mashing out a bunch of compressed loops to the gurning masses are over.
We need to work harder at the music, as the fan base is reduced down to the hardcore, who really do "know the score" and want developement and interest from their music.

From out of this situation of high struggle, and techno going back underground, we will get frustration, conflict and desperation, and out of this there will be more push for the music to evolve and develop into something new and exciting, with attitude again, that might just cause a new spark to light, and the kids bored by faceless rock bands and the inherent music business conformity that comes with them, might well want to jump into the ambiguous world of independant dance music, and techno.

At least, that`s my wet dream.

[Little_Fella!]

Yeah, that's my wet dream too...

The wave will come round again.... it's a case of catching it when it does and riding the front of that wave before the bandwagon jumps on the back of it!!!:teach:

[RDR]

Yeah, that's my wet dream too...

The wave will come round again.... it's a case of catching it when it does and riding the front of that wave before the bandwagon jumps on the back of it!!!:teach:

Thing is with waves is that no two are alike, and those who continue to succeed are the ones who took the time to change both their outlook, image and the way they presented their music both in terms of method of playing and the sort of music they played.

Ive said it before, music IS the very essence of change, it revels in change, without change it wouldnt be exciting at all. Sure the wave will come back, but then no two waves are alike.

Techno in its very nature is supposed to be at the cutting edge of technology, yet I see so many people stuck in 1995, or 1990 or 1985... nothing wrong with that per-se but at what point does a person become an echo of technology rather than the sharpened blade of the music that made them sit up and take notice.

Or do we believe that we are different? Do we truly believe that we are nothing like the majority of bands who play covers or busk to make money so they can follow their art or song writing? What is a DJ if not a person who plays covers? When are we going to admit to ourselves that the special position we put ourselves in when we became "Techno" isnt really that special and the world owes us nothing... except that which we work hard enough to make for ourselves.

[FuK-NuT]

erm some o us still like going out and dancing to techno....uz old cunts can stay in all yeh want am gona strive to make tings better!

;)

[RDR]

erm some o us still like going out and dancing to techno....uz old cunts can stay in all yeh want am gona strive to make tings better!

;)

Less with the old :lol: :hissyfit: :Angry:

The C u Nt word is fair play.

Oh, and we DO run a techno night ;)

www.puretechno.co.uk

[dirty_bass]

erm some o us still like going out and dancing to techno....uz old cunts can stay in all yeh want am gona strive to make tings better!

;)

It`s not that simple though. That`s too reductionist.
Otherwise why buy records at all, why not just buy a 909, turn it on, and let it run for 6 hours plugged into the soundsystem while all the gurners jump about.

People make the music, people play the music, people dance to the music people listen to the music, it`s an organic lifeform.
And the people making it need to be still excited for the people dancing to it to remain interested, and not get bored.
The people dancing still need to be energised by the music, and so expect the people making it to come up with the goods.
the people who appreciate it more solidly want to listen to it as well outside of the clubs, and expect more than just boom boom
the people making it need some kind of money to support them, the studios, and the vast amount of time required to be able to make music of good quality
etc etc etc etc etc
It all interacts.

It`s not easy to boil it down to....
We just wanna get mash up and jump about, who cares about the other stuff

It`s complex, and requires thought.

however it`s also fun and hedonistic.

[davethedrummer]

It`s not that simple though. That`s too reductionist.
Otherwise why buy records at all, why not just buy a 909, turn it on, and let it run for 6 hours plugged into the soundsystem while all the gurners jump about.

reductionist!
now i've heard it all !!!

[theledge]

And the people making it need to be still excited for the people dancing to it to remain interested, and not get bored.
.

Exactly, and it's the producers and djs who nurtured their love for techno by sweating it out for endless hours on the dancefloor, transfixed by the beauty and power of the music, who end up translating their experiences into music and performances which do the same for others

There's too many djs and producers who just sit at home scratching their arse and ego, the only time you see them in a club they're behind the decks sucking the promoters cock or handing out flyers, they should get on the dancefloor and maybe learn something

[theledge]

as far as this thread goes in general, i've seen loads of promoters **** up by booking big names and having no-one turn up, even back in the so-called glory days. It was invariably because they didn't know what they were doing, didn't know the local punters, probably never went out themselves and held the mistaken belief that spending loads of money on a big name would guarantee them hundreds of heads through the door. I'd say that's likely to be the case here too tbh

Big name djs with successful careers earning loads of money like speedy j are the end result of a succesful mature party scene/culture/whatever, they don't guarantee its existence in themselves, just by turning up and hey presto partytime