something deffo needs done...

[FuK-NuT]

if 20 people rock up to see speedyj in edinburgh yet nights that promote local and up and coming can pull in close to capacity...

there be a new generation coming up, i feel more needs done from the big boys to show the young'inz wot its all about or else jump-up dnb nights and dance nights will rule the world....fair enough europe etc have it far better compared to this wee island and can accomodate rediculous fee's...maybe
ya'll need to b thinkin about droppin these fee'z to accomodate us, if not
then i fear ya'll gona b forgotten in time to come cause no one can book you
in the uk/scabland...might not b a bad thing tho...
lol
dont really know wot the scene is like south o the border but from experience
accomodating shit fee's then for your night not to do well on said night cause peeps aint heard of u has almost crippled us meaning we have no choice but to hunt out those who dont charge the earth...which aint a bad thing either..

tiz a shame cause there are those i'd like to bring to scotland...

thoughts please...

last time i looked this was about techno right?

[mattboyslim]

guess its a case of knowing your market, and advertising properly. Thats by no means a dig at you, but it'd be my first thought when a night with Speedy J flops

[MARK ANXIOUS]

i hate promotion. i've never been any good at it. but damn, i can see the power of it.

i think it's definitely a case of what's hot and what's not these days and with techno, it's even more so than ever when you have a headliner. you would have thought under normal circumstances speedy would have been a sure fire winner but then again, scotland is a very very hard place to get something going. and speedy really hasn't been in the headlines too much recently...

well pick yaself up mate, and keep flying that flag. sorry to hear it didnt work out as planned...

ps sure, would be nice for them to drop their fees but when they can easily get 20000 ppl rockin in a party in holland and get paid full whack on a regular basis, you can see why they dont. perhaps it's time to invest more in up and coming local talent and uk names....

[FuK-NuT]

guess its a case of knowing your market, and advertising properly. Thats by no means a dig at you, but it'd be my first thought when a night with Speedy J flops

WOW, stop!

not refering to our night with regards to speedy...(and countless other big names by the way)

we promote the lesser known and have done well over the coarse of 4 years plus....but we have ventured out abit of late and over the coarse of at least 2 nights payin not to bad fee's and not doin so well has seen us struggle...so
to book a huge mofo and encounter same sorta situation we'd b on our arse...as has some other nights that have appeared and opted to go down the big name road....it just isnt feasible in this city just now.....but that cant b the fault o the promoter surely?

[mattboyslim]

WOW, stop!

not refering to our night with regards to speedy...(and countless other big names by the way)

we promote the lesser known and have done well over the coarse of 4 years plus....but we have ventured out abit of late and over the coarse of at least 2 nights payin not to bad fee's and not doin so well has seen us struggle...so
to book a huge mofo and encounter same sorta situation we'd b on our arse...as has some other nights that have appeared and opted to go down the big name road....it just isnt feasible in this city just now.....but that cant b the fault o the promoter surely?

the way it came across it sounded like you were talking about your own night. think mark hit the nail on the head about fees anyway. and frankly the cheaper acts are preferable personnally. no expectation means no disappointment, and often massive excitement when its goes off totally unexpectantly

[FuK-NuT]

yeh i agree....really just giving the heads up to those who might venture up one time to find the club empty ala speedyj...

musta hurt!

[DannyBlack]

speedy j empty?? what the hell is happening??? bloody 'ell!

[teknorich]

I know the feeling mate, it's gutting. He's not Techno as such, but I saw Troy Pierce (one of Hawtin's right hand men, and a BIG name in the minimal scene) play in Liverpool, to a crowd of about 10 people, of whom two were serving beer. I also heard that Matthew Dear played to an audience of literally 6 or 8. It takes the p*ss! How can big names who regularly fill clubs around Europe, and the world in fact, have to play to such insultingly small audiences as that?

Tho, on the flip side, I went to Rehab last weekend ( a local Liverpool techno night, which is always just residents) and one of the lads; John Heckle, tore it up with two decks and a 909. I paid £3 in, there were maybe 40 people there, but it was a wicked, wicked night!

Maybe the current climate in the UK will lead to the local homegrown talent becoming more well known, on the simple basis that promoters just can't afford the risk of the big international names and the cost of their fees? This could be a good thing, a bit of a silver lining?

[DJ RE:HAB]

i hate promotion. i've never been any good at it. but damn, i can see the power of it.

i think it's definitely a case of what's hot and what's not these days and with techno, it's even more so than ever when you have a headliner. you would have thought under normal circumstances speedy would have been a sure fire winner but then again, scotland is a very very hard place to get something going. and speedy really hasn't been in the headlines too much recently...

well pick yaself up mate, and keep flying that flag. sorry to hear it didnt work out as planned...

ps sure, would be nice for them to drop their fees but when they can easily get 20000 ppl rockin in a party in holland and get paid full whack on a regular basis, you can see why they dont. perhaps it's time to invest more in up and coming local talent and uk names....

aye ive been to 2 dutch parties, Defqon 1 Festival 30,000 and qlimax 25,000.
I have to say these places do fill out, but if ive noticed anything about these mega raves is that not all the people are proper into the choons. Ive seen a fair few of them just there to be there, ie, its qlimax and defqon.

Have to say tho, fair play to the dutch the stage shows and the money put into the events is second to none, gotta be the best in the world and we british i feel are lacking and will always be lacking i think behind them in terms of dance music in all forms being more accepted throughout the younger and and older generations...

[teknorich]

(But Speedy J being empty is a shocker! He's not done a lot recently, but the guy is a legend!!)

[FuK-NuT]

Maybe the current climate in the UK will lead to the local homegrown talent becoming more well known, on the simple basis that promoters just can't afford the risk of the big international names and the cost of their fees? This could be a good thing, a bit of a silver lining?

its wot we a reverting bak to....

not saying we are in anyway the be all and end all of scottish techno as it where
just voicing my opinion on what i see and have learned from experience...but if folks are even bothered about playing up here or want to you gotta
take into account the size of the scene and not have a standard fee for the world...peeps are missing out..sort it out!

[stjohn]

speedy j empty?? what the hell is happening??? bloody 'ell!

well, Speedy J... although a respactable name... is just not doing anything good IMo (except for non techno projects). i know the lads a genius....but his techno at the moment is gash. he played here 2 weeks ago.. and had i not necked 2 yokes i wouldnt have fell asleep.

12 minute songs that are borderline boring mnml, with the same groove and buildup that speedy coined a few yrs back... are a fraction of what this lad is capable of.

maybe the punters realise this?

[robin m]

20 people for speedy J? **** me that's a sad commentary :whoops:

Got to agree I prefer his non-techno stuff these days too, but still - the guy's still a league above virtually everyone else and I would have put money on him packing a night anywhere in the UK...

[viagratek]

20 people? that is pretty ****ed.

we did the speedy j gig in LA...prolly had 500 people and for me that wasnt enough either. we did like 700 last year. that is nothing compared to the 10000 + festival gigs in europe but its exceptional for for north america.

i dont know what he charged UK promoters, but his north american rates (depending on the event) are reasonable considering who he is.

he still remains relevant....although he hasnt released any techno EPs but the UMFELD dvd is nothing short of amazing conceptually.

as for live sets he is pushing the digital dj thing right now. by layering several tracks, loops, noises, blabala along with abelton efex, midi sequences, blahblah x2 then manipulating it all on the dj mixer he is basically using other peoples songs and song parts to build the music up and break it down similar to his past hardware sets. if you saw him during those relentless collabs tours you know what im talking about.

musically his recent sets have ranged from tougher minimal to more banging material with some hints of acid between the bpms of 128-133. which is fine for me im over borderline schranz and so is alot of the music world.

[RDR]

Its down to promotion really, and the promoters ability to know their own market.

If they didnt promote it properly then im not surprised.

[ritaheed]

Its down to promotion really, and the promoters ability to know their own market.

If they didnt promote it properly then im not surprised.

aye for tht speedy j night in scotland i "heard a rumour" he was playing about a week before the gig.....there was no flyers, posters, promotion on the web for it.....(until 2 days before it or suming).....so no wonder no one was there.....but aye scotland can sometimes be weird when it comes to techno nights......hit or miss.....Jamie Bissmire and Paul Langley were playing up here not long ago and a would say there was 50-60 ppl max at the gig - amazing nite tho

[Sunil]

musically his recent sets have ranged from tougher minimal to more banging material with some hints of acid between the bpms of 128-133. which is fine for me im over borderline schranz and so is alot of the music world.

I thought he wasn't bad when I saw him at the gig Rory is talking about, but there was very little to distinguish his set from what Chris Liebing did about a month before that in the same venue. He is still someone I'll never write off - some of the Collabs album was actually quite good - but the problem here is down to disappointment I guess, in a guy that is capable of such craziness, but who has obviously towed the line to keep the work coming in. He needs to earn a crust though; the way I see it these days, if any of these legends or 'names' come up with something good or play really well, it's a bonus, if not then I don't mind, they've all earned their stripes by now. The dancefloor techno market or 'scene' is a bit ****ed up now anyway, at least he has this DVD on the go.. I'll have to check it out soon..

[Sunil]

as for live sets he is pushing the digital dj thing right now. by layering several tracks, loops, noises, blabala along with abelton efex, midi sequences, blahblah x2 then manipulating it all on the dj mixer he is basically using other peoples songs and song parts to build the music up and break it down similar to his past hardware sets.

Hmm, yeah.. not to start a row, but does any of this really matter?
The number one aim is to play the best possible music you can, I have absolutely no interest in what he uses, it's what he plays and how he delivers it. All the FX, laptops and gadgets are useless if you're playing unmemorable music (I guess we all have different tastes though). I'm not aiming this squarely at Speedy J, but if we're to talk about him for a moment: if that's the future of digital DJ-ing then so be it, I certainly wasn't too excited though.

[Kells]

Well speedy rocked Joy in November, although a day or so before the event i heard a really minimal gash sounding mix of his from a month or so earlier and started to get worrid!!! as joy is no minimal event, when he arrived we were driving back from the airport, id alreadt spoke to Cisco (advent) about this and he agreed he would play after Speedy and play it harder, as even he thought speedy would be too minimal, anyhow i told speedy in the car that Joy is NOT a minimal event and people want a bit more... i got Advent on the blower and Speedy asked to speak to him, he asked advent what tunes he was playing...then after the phone call was all quiet,,
He came to the club for his set and bloody rocked it, the crowd went mental for him and Alot of people came just for Speedy, he was great, i loved his set.. even tho he was a little reserved in character...

check it out here... the mix:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2s7ubj

[Stella Boy]

anyhow i told speedy in the car that Joy is NOT a minimal event and people want a bit more

sorry to pick bones kells but why book a dj/pa without knowing what they were doing at present ? To turn round to your main player and basically tell them that the music they play isn't what the club wants seems a bit odd.