room acoustics

[Kokotorobot]

don't you think it brings unwanted coloration? there must be some erros even if it's a linear eq.

i'd say that you might be better off roughly identifying the problematic peaks and adjusting the room controls on your monitors accordingly

[dirty_bass]

don't you think it brings unwanted coloration? there must be some erros even if it's a linear eq.

i'd say that you might be better off roughly identifying the problematic peaks and adjusting the room controls on your monitors accordingly

Well, I work in mastering, and I`ve not noticed any coloration when I A/B to my old monitors.
I`d say using balanced inputs on mixers etc introduces more colouration than the RMC software I`m using.

[A.P.]

Wicked thread going on here guys.
Some really good info.

[Milesy]

I know this is an old thread but room correction software will only fix the problems for that one single position where you took the measurements.

If you move your head back even a foot then the wave dynamics will completely change and the correction EQ is pointless.

It does help a little, but it does not stop the comb filtering effects, ringing or standing waves.

[The_Laughing_Man]

True, which is why it should be used in combination with light treatment, which can also have the same effect anyway, of changing the dynamic at the sweet spot, which is all you should really be concerned with.
Over or bad treatment of a room can result in a "dead" room, which could also result in EQ problems.
Of course RMC deals with standing wave problems, I certainly have cured my problem now.
I think to make a comment about it, you have to try it out.
I demo`d the speakers, found the results amazing, and bought them.
Not that I am a sales spokesperson, but I can only comment from experience.

here`s a quote from sound designer wade wilson
“The Room Mode Correction is great,” “ because we are often moving speakers to different rooms each with a different set of standing waves that change the bass. They can cause you to mistakenly remove bass elements, but with RMC I have no problem with that. The bass is perfect even in chase scenes, explosions or action sequences with lots of rumbling. With the RMC, I can stay in control right from the start.”"


It`s all relative, room treatment, more expensive monitors all this kind of talk moves away from actually learning how to make music properly in the first place, and I think it falls into the same category as always looking for the best EQ plug, vst synth etc to "make my sound better"

I think everyone needs to objectively assess their skill level first, and work on that, when you get to a certain level where you can actually identify room nodes as being a problem, then it might be time to get some treatment and RMC. Or maybe some really good monitors first.

I was going to start a business manufacturing treatment tiles and traps that would have been much cheaper than those currently available, but on research found that it wouldn`t have been worth it as there simply wasn`t enough interest.


The reality is that you can do a very good job with some decent hi fi monitors as long as you know your equipment well, and have trained your ears.
In fact there was a sound on sound article about this a while ago which was very interesting.

[Milesy]

My problem is my room accoustics were so bad you could not even get creative..... got a fantastic bassline... sounding great. leave the room and come back and sit in a slightly different position and it now sounds really really bad. Peaks and nulls in one position much worse than a foot next to it.

Choice of monitors would not have fixed this problem of constructive and destructive interferance in the air around my ears. All the electronics in the world still wont change the way sound waves behaive in the air.

My production experience is never going to improve if I cant trust what I hear in my ears so saying to work on skill level first is not a solution as you advise.

I am not looking for a comlpetely treated room, and I also dont want a dead room..... But... I have done frequency response analysis of my room and I am getting massive nulls and peaks in the bass area... in some positions up to 18db reduction which is quite a substantial loss of energy in the sound.

Everyones room and set up is comlpetely different, and if you could hear my room you might change your opinion, but I can only try and give some light treatment to try and tame some of it and it is already starting to sound better. The smaller the room the worse the problem becomes. And my 2x2m box is terrible.

:)

[The_Laughing_Man]

I`m not against treatment, far from it, but I am saying, generally, people should assess their skill level and apply what they need accordingly

I post on a few more techy music sites, and you get people barfing on about they want 1500 quid monitors and then room treatment, blah blah

then you hear their music, and it`s like
damn man, learn to produce to a standard first.

Howvever, looking at your photo, I`m guessing your room is teeny tiny, so I can understand you have massive problems.

move room?

[Milesy]

Only three rooms in house and the other room is the other halves dressing / beauty room, plus it is where the rabbit lives lol, plus this room is the only one which faces outside rather than onto the neighbour.

No house upgrade till well after the wedding anyway lol