How many folk here play live sets with (mainly) live drum/synth synthysis

[dirty_bass]

Archoas is essentially the visual equivalent of loop triggering though.
I`d like something more reactive.
Or has it got better?

[tocsin]

Archoas is essentially the visual equivalent of loop triggering though.
I`d like something more reactive.
Or has it got better?

Kinda. It can be used that way on a very basic level. But, there's more ways to manipulate what you work with now. Essentially, it's a multi-layered VJ interface that is controllable with a MIDI keyboard. You can assign movies, still images, flash files, live input from a camera, numerous built in FX, and add-on "freeframe" plugins to the keys of a MIDI keyboard. For something you want to loop repeatedly, or for an effect you just want to stay on, you can set a key to "latch" so whatever is assigned to it continues running until you hit it again. Otherwise, it only runs for as long as you hold the key.

It's fairly different from a number of VJ apps out there and, given I use a MIDI keyboard for just about everything, was the most intuitive for me. Plus, the way in which you can build effects and imagery on top of each other is very cool. The biggest power in it, in my opinion, is the ability to set just about every possible variable in the thing, on the base level and the effects level, to a knob or slider.

[dirty_bass]

there`s no reactive 3d objects or fractals though
it`s just loops and effects?

[tocsin]

there`s no reactive 3d objects or fractals though
it`s just loops and effects?

There are reactive 3d objects, yes. And it's very cool if we're talking about the same thing. As for generating fractals, no, not really. There is one effect that does somehting similar. But, for fractals, I use Ultra Fractal to make my own to load into the thing, in addition to snagging some off the net. Real time fractal generation with that tool would kind of be a bad idea anyways since, if you did something fairly advanced, it would spike the CPU.

Snag the demo and give it a whirl. It's "trial ware." Fully functional the first 30 days.

http://www.arkaos.net

[dirty_bass]

yeah, I`ll give it a go

but what I`m looking for is nice 3d reactive stuff much like Milkdrop and R4 team make for Winamp

[tocsin]

yeah, I`ll give it a go

but what I`m looking for is nice 3d reactive stuff much like Milkdrop and R4 team make for Winamp

You mean reactive to the audio or reactive to what elements are on the screen? You can set your medias speed, and various effects, to be controlled by BPM of an incoming audio signal if that is what you are talking about. You also have various 3D effects that play off of what you already have going on the screen.

[dirty_bass]

You mean reactive to the audio or reactive to what elements are on the screen? You can set your medias speed, and various effects, to be controlled by BPM of an incoming audio signal if that is what you are talking about. You also have various 3D effects that play off of what you already have going on the screen.

I`m talking about morphing visuals based on algorythms that respond to sound or midi input.
Most VJ effects bore me to tears, as they are just layers of film footage with cliche effects

I was just rerading some VJ forums and it appears that arkaos isn`t appropriate at all for what I want. Although it appears that you can Vj with milkdrop!!!!

[tocsin]

I`m talking about morphing visuals based on algorythms that respond to sound or midi input.
Most VJ effects bore me to tears, as they are just layers of film footage with cliche effects

Yes, you can do that.

I was just rerading some VJ forums and it appears that arkaos isn`t appropriate at all for what I want. Although it appears that you can Vj with milkdrop!!!!

You can sort of VJ with Milkdrop. More of a guessing game though, unless you fully understand the consequences of the formulas you're inputting on the fly.

[RDR]

I`m talking about morphing visuals based on algorythms that respond to sound or midi input.
Most VJ effects bore me to tears, as they are just layers of film footage with cliche effects

I was just rerading some VJ forums and it appears that arkaos isn`t appropriate at all for what I want. Although it appears that you can Vj with milkdrop!!!!

Vjing is loads of fun, even with loops, it depends what you do with them as well how you use the effects inside them, arkaos is a horrid program, resolume i love to bits as well, on the fly resampling is cool. Having cameras set up around the club provides interactivity as well. VJing and getting people involved really gives another dimension to the club. I'd prefer loop stuff to no visuals as well.

[TechMouse]

This is something I'm looking at, slowly, as I find time.

Hopefully DVNT will pop up at some point, as he knows loads about this kind of thing.

Oh, and he knows the guy that wrote Milkdrop too.

[tocsin]

Vjing is loads of fun, even with loops, it depends what you do with them as well how you use the effects inside them, arkaos is a horrid program, resolume i love to bits as well, on the fly resampling is cool. Having cameras set up around the club provides interactivity as well. VJing and getting people involved really gives another dimension to the club. I'd prefer loop stuff to no visuals as well.

I've never noticed enough of a difference between Arkaos or Resolume that really makes one better than the other. Only thing that pissed me off about Arkaos was when the event recorder would choke. Don't know if that ever got fixed but don't really care either since I record all my Arkaos events in Sonar. BTW, it is possible to get Milkdrop running in either Arkaos or Resolume with a little driver trickery, so long as your CPU and GPU can handle it.

[clubsynthetic]

I think a guitar could work with techno...just because it has rarely been done good before (much) doesn't mean its nots going to happen..

But for visual aspect, i think these guys have it right on the money ;)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...ub_ibiza_1.jpg

[clubsynthetic]

as for that sort of thing your chatting about dirty bass, would you not need a NASA computer to run it?

[dirty_bass]

as for that sort of thing your chatting about dirty bass, would you not need a NASA computer to run it?

not at all, just had a good read about running milkdrop in VJ mode.
Just need a good graphics card.
Looks tastey

As for guitars in techno, if you understand production you`ll understand why it is so difficult for it to work.

Guitars take up a HUGE amount of room in the mix.
Listen to how drums and guitars are mixed in rock and nu metal
The drums have very little low end punch, the kicks very rarely thump, the middle areas are all left sparse to allow room for the guitar.
all areas techno uses in it`s own sound for strong percussion.

It is very very diffcult to get it to work, trust me.
I fought with it for years in the 90`s in the various industrial bands I was in, it`s a fecking nightmare.

[Kokotorobot]

not at all, just had a good read about running milkdrop in VJ mode.
Just need a good graphics card.
Looks tastey

just get some rackmount PC on there, a camera, graphics card, maybe some other sensors and hire/persuade someone who knows his shit about max msp jitter and you can have your extreme cutting edge music synced visuals right there

http://cycling74.com/

btw, does any of you guys know whether there is some midi controller which has potentiometres which return to original position (such as the pitch bend wheel)? or how to mod/change knobs so they act like it

[acidsaturation]

As for guitars in techno, if you understand production you`ll understand why it is so difficult for it to work.

Guitars take up a HUGE amount of room in the mix.
Listen to how drums and guitars are mixed in rock and nu metal
The drums have very little low end punch, the kicks very rarely thump, the middle areas are all left sparse to allow room for the guitar.
all areas techno uses in it`s own sound for strong percussion.

It is very very diffcult to get it to work, trust me.
I fought with it for years in the 90`s in the various industrial bands I was in, it`s a fecking nightmare.

That's certainly true if you are trying to make guitars sound like a rock guitar. But when it works I think it can sound pretty fun and to be fair, I've always thought techno (for me at least) is about being inventive and using an interesting palate of sounds, which a guitar can be part of. Certainly when I've used guitar samples in my sets people seem to like it.

[judas_beast]

I use Ableton, running 18 channels, being Kick, Snare, Hi Hat, Bass 1, Bass 2, Synth etc. Basically when I've made my track in Cubase I record short (16 usually bars) loops of each ''instrument'' for each part of the song as well as running some parts live from the various VST's. On each channel I have various effects, as well as effects on the master out from Ableton. I control the lot with a KorgMicrokontrol. I think this allows me to do pretty much anything, but also gives me some definite form to my live set, so if I am (to be frank) ****ed I can still pull it off.

Next up I want a Korg Zero 8.

Anyway, here's a screen dump should anyone be interested.

[detfella]

*farts*

[judas_beast]

*farts*

What the **** have you been eating mate? Jesus, smells like something crawled up ya ass, shat it's self then died a horrible, smelly death.