roland mc-909 ???

[massplanck]

However if you are feeling like being nostalgic, just get a stick and a hollow log, who needs technology to make techno, I mean, the word techno actually means "use of oldest possible machinery" in latin.

Lol you really are completley up your own arse mate with comments like that.

The guy has a laptop & abelton already & obviously he hasnt got 40000 grand to spend on a machinedrum. He likes the idea of having DEDICATED groovebox to play with. I have had both a 909 and RS7000 (unlike you.. ie you prob played with them for 30 mins and took your usuall judgemental stance and dismissed them as rubbish). The RS7000 is brilliant live - really ****ing great, its what it does best. OK The sounds are not up to the standard of the access virus or whatever but they are better than the 909 thats for sure. And of course the fact that you asked me "what the hell made that sound" when i played you a clip of a track I made with the RS7000 totally blows that argument out of the water. It a powerful machine and in the right hands can obviously convince people like you (who have obviously used more hardware than I have even seen ) that they are listening to something NOT made by yamaha.

Anyway for me the RS is another piece of the puzzle. I like mixing the sounds of different pieces of manufacturers hardware together (virus, rs7000 & korg electribe) as well as samples from a pc (pc through the mixer). I hate the idea of every single sound starting its life off in the same DAW that the whole unvirse uses. How discordian of you to advise him to get "abelton & a controller" like 99% of people do. Radical.

And a message to the origional poster.
Think for yourself dude. You'll sound more unique for it.

[Aratron]

Lol you really are completley up your own arse mate with comments like that.

Troll

[RDR]

Lol you really are completley up your own arse mate with comments like that.

The guy has a laptop & abelton already & obviously he hasnt got 40000 grand to spend on a machinedrum. He likes the idea of having DEDICATED groovebox to play with. I have had both a 909 and RS7000 (unlike you.. ie you prob played with them for 30 mins and took your usuall judgemental stance and dismissed them as rubbish). The RS7000 is brilliant live - really ****ing great, its what it does best. OK The sounds are not up to the standard of the access virus or whatever but they are better than the 909 thats for sure. And of course the fact that you asked me "what the hell made that sound" when i played you a clip of a track I made with the RS7000 totally blows that argument out of the water. It a powerful machine and in the right hands can obviously convince people like you (who have obviously used more hardware than I have even seen ) that they are listening to something NOT made by yamaha.

Anyway for me the RS is another piece of the puzzle. I like mixing the sounds of different pieces of manufacturers hardware together (virus, rs7000 & korg electribe) as well as samples from a pc (pc through the mixer). I hate the idea of every single sound starting its life off in the same DAW that the whole unvirse uses. How discordian of you to advise him to get "abelton & a controller" like 99% of people do. Radical.

And a message to the origional poster.
Think for yourself dude. You'll sound more unique for it.

Please refrain from personal attacks. This is not what this part of the forum is for, take it to PMs if you feel like this. Your comments are welcome and constructive 99% of the time. adding personal insult to what is otherwise a good post just makes people not take you seriously.

Peace and love people, peace and love.

[acidsaturation]

Almost don't want to continue if it's getting so heated, but will do, carefully lol

I do agree with what massplanck is saying to some an extent - it's funny, I've not been about for a few months and it does suddenly seem like the universe has gone software crazy, and there's this overwhelming sense of "if you don't use Ableton you don't make good tunes"...

which doesn't really help people who want to do their own thing.

What happened to making a nice sound and having fun with what you like using. This upsets me sometimes, I enjoy may hardware, and would rather spend money on that than the same piece of software everyone else uses. It's almost like if you can't afford this that and the other (or don't want to) you can't be in this elite club. Techno was always like punk for me, underground and inclusive and about people using what resources they had to put on a show, now it seems to have gone like big business and if you can't make a perfect production product whatever other good things in your tunes don't matter.

And to be fair, if the sequencer on something is "shit" but someone can turn out a good end product with it, then that shows they have talent and skill in my mind... If they choose to do it the fiddly way, good on them!

[TechMouse]

and there's this overwhelming sense of "if you don't use Ableton you don't make good tunes"...

I don't feel that at all.

There are a few people who will swear blind that hardware is the only way to go, for sure. I'm not sure I've heard any software evangelists, certainly not in the sense that they would suggest you can't do anything decent with hardware.

The plain demonstrable truth of the matter is that there are people doing great stuff with hardware and people doing great stuff with software.

The choice is largely an individual one, and different people will be more at home with different configurations.

As a rough rule of thumb (and this is just my opinion) hardware tends to give you better results "out of the box" at the expense of flexibility. Software gives you complete flexibility, but the trade off is that you have to work harder to get great sounds.

[tocsin]

As a rough rule of thumb (and this is just my opinion) hardware tends to give you better results "out of the box" at the expense of flexibility. Software gives you complete flexibility, but the trade off is that you have to work harder to get great sounds.

Yep. It's a learning curve issue on one hand, and a financial issue on another. There's not a chance in hell that I'd be able to buy a new piece of gear right now. I just don't have that kind of disposable income anymroe at the moment. However, it seems like every week, there is some new piece of cheap, and often free, software to experiment with. Personally, I think it's worth exploring more than hardware, as the software is constantly evolving, and is easilly replacable. When you buy a piece of hardware, what you see is what you get. Though, if you're in a position where you can afford to do both, that is by far the most fun option, and the most beneficial.

[massplanck]

I don't feel that at all.

There are a few people who will swear blind that hardware is the only way to go, for sure. I'm not sure I've heard any software evangelists, certainly not in the sense that they would suggest you can't do anything decent with hardware.
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Well I certainly dont jump onto VST plugin threads and suggest that people should go out and buy an Access virus because VST plugins are shit. You have a thread here where some guy with a limited budget wants to buy a piece of hardware, and gets told to just use abelton & a controller. Then you have people who "have used more hardware than I have seen" saying this is shit & that is shit when in fact they dont actually own the aformentioned piece of kit (and actually liked the sounds from it).

If someone wants to spend money on hardware. Encourage them dont discourage them. If someone want to use a wholly software setup the same goes. But please let them experiment.

[TechMouse]

Well I certainly dont jump onto VST plugin threads and suggest that people should go out and buy an Access virus because VST plugins are shit.

Never said you did, but I've definitely heard more people espouse a "hardware or nothing" attitude than a "software or nothing".

You have a thread here where some guy with a limited budget wants to buy a piece of hardware, and gets told to just use abelton & a controller.

Limited budget is the point though.

Your bang:buck ratio with a cheap laptop & controller pisses on anything you will get with a hardware sequencer.

I don't doubt for a second that if you have the cash to buy a drum machine, sampler, synth and mixer then you can do mad stuff with hardware - and I've seen it done on many occasions by all sorts of people.

But compare that with bog standard laptop & cheap controller pound for pound - especially if you have a laptop already as many people do.

Buying all that specialist hardware is a spectacularly expensive way to find out that it's not your thing after all.

Then you have people who "have used more hardware than I have seen" saying this is shit & that is shit when in fact they dont actually own the aformentioned piece of kit (and actually liked the sounds from it).

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

In my experience the Roland Grooveboxes are pretty poor unless you want to make generic trance. (And who doesn't? :D)

You can get good sounds out of anything if you try hard enough, but you need something decent to be the backbone of your system. Something like an RS7K will do the job, but you'll be needing more hardware on top.

If someone wants to spend money on hardware. Encourage them dont discourage them. If someone want to use a wholly software setup the same goes. But please let them experiment.

Absolutely agree, but I still believe that for someone making their first forays into electronic music the computer route is the sensible entry point. Just my opinion of course.

[massplanck]

You can get good sounds out of anything if you try hard enough, but you need something decent to be the backbone of your system. Something like an RS7K will do the job, but you'll be needing more hardware on top.
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Now is probably the time to be buying second hand hardware as lots of people are flogging off their old kit as they move over to software. I just got an Access Virus for 500 euro (370 sterling) (never ****ing used as the guy didnt like the sounds on it!).
I dunno. I know there is a cost issue. But there is alot to be said for saving up for something by eating beans for a year. Hardship usually end up meaning better music :)

[acidsaturation]

I don't feel that at all.

There are a few people who will swear blind that hardware is the only way to go, for sure. I'm not sure I've heard any software evangelists, certainly not in the sense that they would suggest you can't do anything decent with hardware.

OK maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I do hear a certain amount of insistence that laptops and software are the only way, and there is a bit of "I don't like it therefore it's shite" at times from both sides of the debate...

That's what makes me sad...