How long would it take me to learn ableton?

[dirty_bass]

You can have as many live instruments as you want
your only limitation is the power of your computer, and of course, the amount of arms and fingers you have.

I find 8-12 tracks of audio and 2-3 live vst synths is about as much as I can physically handle without automation or getting in someone as a partner to do a live pa with me.

I think the secret to a live PA is making it sound like a DJ mix. A lot of PA`s go from kickdrum, to full mix, back down to kick drum, and then next tune repeat process. This kills the momentum in my opinion, so you don`t want to have too many synths and so on running at once as it will impede your ability to make good transitions from tune to tune.


The real secret of making a good pa, I think, is how you split your tunes down so they can go into ableton, and how you place them into the clip view.

I set my stuff out very logically so I can visually see the progression any tune would normally make.

I can then play any tune in any order, but always have a good logical visual structure on the screen so I can work out what to do next, or go wild and never get too lost.

Producion wise it`s no different to making a tune, all the parts should go in pre-eq`d so it all fits together in the mix nicely.

It`s too much for me to go into fully on a forum really, but I can take some screenshots I guess and wack em up so you can see my basic structure.

I am now doing 1-1 ableton Live PA sessions for people now though, so if you are really serious you can book me for a full day and I`ll show you the lot.

[Mindful]

It`s too much for me to go into fully on a forum really, but I can take some screenshots I guess and wack em up so you can see my basic structure.

Please do.

[TechMouse]

Can't be arsed carting your decks to Argentina eh Jay?

I'm learning at the moment too.

Got our new night coming up next month, and I'm starting simple (Ableton DJ set with extra loops and stuff) and looking to add to it as I go along.

Main motivating factor is to be able to beatsync with the VJ software for AV stuff, though eventually I want it to be 100% original stuff.

[DVNT]

Can't be arsed carting your decks to Argentina eh Jay?

I'm learning at the moment too.

Got our new night coming up next month, and I'm starting simple (Ableton DJ set with extra loops and stuff) and looking to add to it as I go along.

Main motivating factor is to be able to beatsync with the VJ software for AV stuff, though eventually I want it to be 100% original stuff.

Yea... the VJ software... hmm... :lol:

Cripes.

[SlimboyPhatt]

You can have as many live instruments as you want
your only limitation is the power of your computer, and of course, the amount of arms and fingers you have.

I find 8-12 tracks of audio and 2-3 live vst synths is about as much as I can physically handle without automation or getting in someone as a partner to do a live pa with me.

I think the secret to a live PA is making it sound like a DJ mix. A lot of PA`s go from kickdrum, to full mix, back down to kick drum, and then next tune repeat process. This kills the momentum in my opinion, so you don`t want to have too many synths and so on running at once as it will impede your ability to make good transitions from tune to tune.


The real secret of making a good pa, I think, is how you split your tunes down so they can go into ableton, and how you place them into the clip view.

I set my stuff out very logically so I can visually see the progression any tune would normally make.

I can then play any tune in any order, but always have a good logical visual structure on the screen so I can work out what to do next, or go wild and never get too lost.

Producion wise it`s no different to making a tune, all the parts should go in pre-eq`d so it all fits together in the mix nicely.

It`s too much for me to go into fully on a forum really, but I can take some screenshots I guess and wack em up so you can see my basic structure.

I am now doing 1-1 ableton Live PA sessions for people now though, so if you are really serious you can book me for a full day and I`ll show you the lot.

Yes would be very intrested in seeing the screenshots, and quite possibly in the 1 on 1 tutition. What sort of damage ? send me a pm about that if you can.

The other thing that inruiges me is how much is really "played Live". For a classic example I was at Mass a few weeks ago and Kevin Energy was doing "Nu Energy Collective Live" (With too much poor scratching as usual)

The thing is he was obviously playing some of the riff's live, but there were some riffs he was trying to make us believe he was playing live, with absolutly no chance he was, far tooo complex, and it just annoyed me.

What are your thoughts on this and do you actualy play any sounds live Dirty?

[dirty_bass]

Yes would be very intrested in seeing the screenshots, and quite possibly in the 1 on 1 tutition. What sort of damage ? send me a pm about that if you can.

The other thing that inruiges me is how much is really "played Live". For a classic example I was at Mass a few weeks ago and Kevin Energy was doing "Nu Energy Collective Live" (With too much poor scratching as usual)

The thing is he was obviously playing some of the riff's live, but there were some riffs he was trying to make us believe he was playing live, with absolutly no chance he was, far tooo complex, and it just annoyed me.

What are your thoughts on this and do you actualy play any sounds live Dirty?

Ok, I`ll send a pm

As for live, well obviously, techno is sequenced music, you`ll never play in time enough to sound good, so I don`t actually play any notes live. I have been thinking about playing basslines live in my dubstep pa, but not in techno.

What is played live is mixing the various sounds in and out, and controlling the individual filters and effects over them, as well as tweaking the vst`s live.
It would be physically impossible to play live notes in as well as controlling all the audio, vst`s and effects, so no matter what you do, something would have to be automated.

As for Kevin energy playing live, I think he is in the lab 4 camp, where essentially it is all pre-recorded, and they just mime to the noise.Horrible and dishonest.

[SlimboyPhatt]

As for Kevin energy playing live, I think he is in the lab 4 camp, where essentially it is all pre-recorded, and they just mime to the noise.Horrible and dishonest.

I agree, its disgusting!!! I have heard mixed views on wether K90 actualy does it live or not too. I think he does ( although I know he has a back up Dat)