How long would it take me to learn ableton?

[DVNT]

Can't be arsed carting your decks to Argentina eh Jay?

I'm learning at the moment too.

Got our new night coming up next month, and I'm starting simple (Ableton DJ set with extra loops and stuff) and looking to add to it as I go along.

Main motivating factor is to be able to beatsync with the VJ software for AV stuff, though eventually I want it to be 100% original stuff.

Yea... the VJ software... hmm... :lol:

Cripes.

[stjohn]

id say the bitstream would take longer than Ableton!! millions of buttons!!

[BloodStar]

I pro tools or logic or cubase you can right click on any part and edit it right there with cut copy, paste or any other editor type tools.
ableton has to use an external editing program to achieve this.

Yeah, that's true. Ableton lacks in this area, but still some things can be done, but in bit more complicated way. hopefully they will improve it, one day..

[mattboyslim]

I pro tools or logic or cubase you can right click on any part and edit it right there with cut copy, paste or any other editor type tools.

ableton has to use an external editing program to achieve this.

there isn't much you can't do with clips in ableton, that you can do in other programs. The clip options are still there, its just a different way of working

[RDR]

there isn't much you can't do with clips in ableton, that you can do in other programs. The clip options are still there, its just a different way of working

Not much fun for sequencing though...

IMO of course.

[mattboyslim]

Not much fun for sequencing though...

IMO of course.

i love the virtual cuts you can do in ableton that don't do anything to the original file / clip / loop

[Microdot]

I gave up on Ableton after hours of trying to get it to properly beatmatch. For a programme supposedly designed for it its a bit of a head****. may have to reconsider when my TBx303 arrives next week.

beatmatching in ableton is a piece of piss.

[RDR]

beatmatching in ableton is a piece of piss.

Depends on the program material, straight 4 to the floor is easy, try it with tracks featuring real drummers and there's a crap load of warping to do.

and even IF the auto warping by some material manages to warp things near what they should be there's lots to do.

once its done its done though... unless the ASD file becomes corrupt and you have to re-warp em.

the main trick is to ensure you know the tempo of your music or at least make sure you tap tempo properly.

[djshiva]

getting ableton to "beatmatch" is a piece of cake. you just have to tell it how to play the tunes. that's where warping comes in. for those who haven't quite gotten their heads around that, i give you this:

DJ Shiva's Super Duper Slacker's Guide to Easy Warping in Ableton (that was a tad sarcastic).

set your tap tempo to a key. listen (without warping) and use tap tempo to find the tempo (there is a reason for this, trust me).

then in the clip properties, click "warp". MOST of the time, autowarp gets the approximate tempo right, it just doesn't set the first marker correctly. if it doesn't get the tempo right and sets up a trillion warp markers, click on one, select all, and delete them. then enter the approximate tempo you found in the Seg. BPM box.

now, once the tempo is close to correct, place the first warp marker on the first beat you want to warp from. sometimes you can place it at the beginning of an intro, sometimes it may be simpler just to find the first real beat of the song. turn on your metronome. this is a simple way to make sure your track is lined up with the correct tempo.

most electronic music is sequenced, which makes it easier. i usually go to the 17 mark and check to make sure things are in sync. if they are, continue to the 33rd. if things are still synced, they will prolly stay that way. to make a warp marker, double click on the number and that will make a warp marker. if you need to move it, click once and drag. do not double click until you have it where you want it, and do not drag if you have already made a marker. you can do this at varying points throughout the song, depending on how in sync it already it.

what you are looking for are the transients at the beginning of beats. use your eyes and your ears and eventually you will be able to do this in your sleep. it takes me about 30 secs to a minute to warp a tune, depending on the complexity.

i generally make warp markers at the beginning of phrases, like when the bass first drops, when there is a beatless break, when the beat breaks down for the outro. i use them as visual reminders, as well as telling ableton how to play.

if you have a tune that is NOT sequenced by a computer (live music, bands, etc.), you will need to make many more warp markers. use your ears. the great thing about this is that you can use ableton and warp markers to play tunes together that you never in a million years would have been able to work together on the decks.

and most importantly, when you are done warping each tune, click on "save" in the clip properties box in the "sample" section. if you do not do this, you will lose all of your work when you pull up the tune. if you transfer your tunes to another computer or folder, take both the tune AND the corresponding .asd file.

typically, you want to use repitch mode instead of beats (beats mode can leave some ugly transient wibble on a steady bassline), unless this would drastically alter the pitch (say it's a 130 bpm tune with a vocal, we don't want any chipmunk action here). then complex warp comes into play.

be forewarned, complex mode will not only use more processor to play, but will also alter the sound a bit (deadens the highs and undermines the lows just a smidge). there are some methods you can use (involving bbe sonic maximizer and PSP vintage warmer) to fix that that you can find at http://www.abletonlivedj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6262.

this is the super fast version of the explanation. check youtube for some great video tutorials and also go to www.ableton.com and get into the forums. tons of great info there. www.abletonlivedj.com is another fantastic source.

p.s. my best advice, after telling you how to warp tunes, is to never think of ableton in terms of how turntable djing works. don't just think 2 channels, think 3 or 4. don't just think tunes, think pieces...you can have a hell of a lot of fun, but the creativity is up to you.

i hope this helps, and if you need any clarification, holla.

p.s. there is another nifty trick in ableton for making multiple clips of one song, and dragging it into the browser so it saves all the clips as one .asd file. rather nifty and i use it a lot, too. ;)

[Jay Pace]

Shiva, you are ace.

take the day off!

[module]

Ableton users - how easy to master is this program?

I want start working on a liveset, and I'd like to know how to dj with it.

I've never really taken the time to look at it and I have no real idea how it works.

Was going to buy a bitsream controller to use with it. Looks the business - any thoughts?

how long is a piece of string ?

best bet is to call round to see a few users muck about at home with it tbh

i been using it almost 2 years now (i think) but NEVER made a track with it..

[massplanck]

how long is a piece of string ?
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The distance between its two ends.

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[module]

The distance between its two ends.

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not neccasarily.. is that spelt right ?

[supergroover]

what do you guys mean when you say PA? you mean a live show in stead of djing?
PA only means public address: the speakers that are directed towards the public.
Unless you mean a different PA ;)

On topic: i think you ll learn quickly considering you already are familiar with reason and cubase.

[Barely Human]

what do you guys mean when you say PA? you mean a live show in stead of djing?
PA only means public address: the speakers that are directed towards the public.
Unless you mean a different PA ;)

On topic: i think you ll learn quickly considering you already are familiar with reason and cubase.

Pa is the correct term for a live performance. PA can mean many things, but in this context it usualy stands for Personal Apperance or Performance Artist.

See wikipedia for more info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_PA

[djshiva]

Shiva, you are ace.

take the day off!

haha! i seem to have every day off these days (unemployed), so i have lots of time to play in ableton and to write long-winded explanations of how to play in ableton as well. ;)

[RDR]

haha! i seem to have every day off these days (unemployed), so i have lots of time to play in ableton and to write long-winded explanations of how to play in ableton as well. ;)

And we are VERY grateful for your status!

cheers gal!

[tonyc2002]

I have been using Ableton since version 4 and absolutely love it for mixing (although I have not done this live....yet) as well as producing. The only thing I have not really explored is the groove options but its something I really want to learn more about. In fact, I may start a thread on it haha.

[TechMouse]

Pa is the correct term for a live performance. PA can mean many things, but in this context it usualy stands for Personal Apperance or Performance Artist.

See wikipedia for more info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_PA

I always assumed it was just shorthand for "playing live over a PA".

You learn something new every day...

[tocsin]

Ableton users - how easy to master is this program?

I want start working on a liveset, and I'd like to know how to dj with it.

I've never really taken the time to look at it and I have no real idea how it works.

Was going to buy a bitsream controller to use with it. Looks the business - any thoughts?

I guess "mastering" is entirely subjective and may take some time. But, as for use, I'd say fairly easy if you are comfortable with software for music in general. The first time I ever used it was for a part in a live PA. I created my soundbank with it on the drive to the venue from the passenger seat, having never opened it before. Now, I was using it for something very basic there, but I think you can catch the drift. I don't use Ableton a lot. Generally, the only time I use it is when I'm working with others who use Ableton. But, it was definitely coded with user friendliness in mind. I've never looked at a manual for the thing and figured out how to get it to do what I wanted it to do. So, basically, if it's something you want to work with, chances are you'll be able to make it work.