what is loop techno...?

[serox]

yeh each to there own. i like to see somone mixing without tocuhing EQ's and finding it hard to hear records coming in and out. that is easier to do with loop techno, and des sound good if ppl do it right :)

long smooth mixes without the EQ's . the record u r bring in you want to try keep the same sound going thru it. maybe its a hat or kick or somthing small in the bakground that u keep going. i love doing a set with just glenn wilson records, often he uses the same sound in differant tunes/records. so u can mix them well together n keep the same sounds going thru it.

the records are 4/4 so you want to keep them both on the same bar if possible. anything else, will just sound shit, u wont have sounds changin starting / stopping at the right place. only when u do this it will sound right.

this is the way i was shown to mix anyway, anything else will sound shit i think. can always hear ppl just playing records over each other, in time. but the wrong place. which only shows up if they are doing long mixes...

here is a example of what i mean. constructed mixing, things are stoppng and startin at the right place together. only possible cos the records keep the same loop/pattern.

is only a 20min mix, take the time and check it u will see what i mean. im shit at explainin things :)

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ser/...ou_all_mix.wma

[Tony]

i can think of one person that you all know who is exactly a definition of loop techno
USER
loop techno can really be off putting to people as it does sound pretty much the same the whole way through..........ooh, a high hat!....etc, but give that to some scratch up, double copy psychopath, of which i am edging towards, and then it makes a shit load more sense!!

[serox]

leave scratching to hip hop. with techno sounds nearly as bad as spin backs lol

[Patrick]

i can think of one person that you all know who is exactly a definition of loop techno
USER

Yeah, but who is User ? :lol:

[Patrick]

Actually, just had a re-read and this thread is funny as !
Unless my eyes are deceiving me, it looks like we've got some DJs who play out regularly almost every weekend (sometimes to crowds of thousands), some people who run their own labels and also some people with long years and a vast wealth of experience in the scene (in distribution etc.), and some very talented, long-standing producers being told how and what mixing is, being told what music is or what loops are by some of the bedroom boys.

The world is flipped on it's head today.

[Sunil]

i can think of one person that you all know who is exactly a definition of loop techno
USER
loop techno can really be off putting to people as it does sound pretty much the same the whole way through..........ooh, a high hat!....etc, but give that to some scratch up, double copy psychopath, of which i am edging towards, and then it makes a shit load more sense!!

I'm a big User fan, there's a great energy in that stuff. Whatever people think of his style (It does get slated occasionally), I definitely still think there's a place for it..

[Sunil]

Actually, just had a re-read and this thread is funny as !
Unless my eyes are deceiving me, it looks like we've got some DJs who play out regularly almost every weekend (sometimes to crowds of thousands), some people who run their own labels and also some people with long years and a vast wealth of experience in the scene (in distribution etc.), and some very talented, long-standing producers being told how and what mixing is, being told what music is or what loops are by some of the bedroom boys.

The world is flipped on it's head today.

hmmm, you're being more than a little condescending here man. People are entitled to their opinion, it's up to the next guy to agree or disagree if he wants to, not to question the validity or importance of the 'bedroom boys' opinion.

[davethedrummer]

[quote/crime]
It got overdone though... I remember a time when it was almost impossible to buy records like this (back in '94/'95) and the only people really doing this kind of stuff were The Advent and the old "Reload" label from belgium, and so it sounded really fresh... when you have 50+ labels putting out 10 records a year of this kind of stuff, anything really good gets lost in the fodder, and sadly, this is what happened, the sound got done to death, this is why I grew tired of it personally... I've never heard anything as good as Dynamic Structures III on Reload or the Advent's number 8 on Internal (I think? the one with "Retreat" on) since... also when these records came out, you never used to hear whole sets of them, they were cool in the mix with other stuff, it's when certain djs seemed to put there blinkers on and play whole sets of this kind of stuff, really killed it for me...[/quote]

**** man you are so right there!
the lack of looped techno forced you to mix it up a bit
now there's so much of it you play it endlessly for ten years and you'd still have a few tracks left.
looped techno needs something else to go with it to break it up a bit.

[Patrick]

Actually, just had a re-read and this thread is funny as !
Unless my eyes are deceiving me, it looks like we've got some DJs who play out regularly almost every weekend (sometimes to crowds of thousands), some people who run their own labels and also some people with long years and a vast wealth of experience in the scene (in distribution etc.), and some very talented, long-standing producers being told how and what mixing is, being told what music is or what loops are by some of the bedroom boys.

The world is flipped on it's head today.

hmmm, you're being more than a little condescending here man. People are entitled to their opinion, it's up to the next guy to agree or disagree if he wants to, not to question the validity or importance of the 'bedroom boys' opinion.

No, I'm not at all.
Sunil, man, I think you're being a little loose in your interpretation of my post. I'm not questioning the 'validity or importance' of the bedroom boys (but obviously feel free to point out where in my post I said that, cos I can't see it ;) ). Still looks to me like a fair assessment of what has actually occurred in this thread. But I suppose I was more questioning whether the people they are telling need to be told. That's all. I'm sure damn near everyone started out as bedroom boys, so it's an incredibly important, and indeed essential, resource/entry point/development path or whatever.

That said, I will happily admit that I do get arsed off reading post after post after post (and not just on this forum , but on most techno related forums that I visit) by DJs who have just recently got into techno who still have a very undeveloped, narrow view of what the genre is or can be, but are still happy to spout off from their postion of ignorance what their version of "the rules" is. The "what is techno" argument, as we both know, has been running for years and years and I don't think any two people have every entirely agreed on one definition. But one word that will come up time and time again is innovation. As you well know, the whole thing started because a couple of kids in Belleville ignored the rules and did what they wanted and not what they were 'supposed' to. So there's no way, this far down the line, I'm going to accept that the music "should be" or "has to be" like this or that, or that it has to fit into any structure or conform to any one persons idea of what it is.

The point I probably should have developed more fully if I could have been arsed to type a full post last night is, that, yes, a part of techno probably is what some of the people are describing it as, but what they are describing is only a tiny part of the whole. But the way it continually gets expressed as if that small part is all of it is what gets on my nerves.

See, when I started getting into this music I was really keen to hear loads of the genre and to learn more from people who had been into it longer. Still am. I certainly wouldn't have been cocky enough to go on forums (if we'd had them back in the day on our steam powered computers) and start telling established artists or DJs what's what. Obviously, if people don't question and challenge the established order there won't be any change or development of the music and the scene will stagnate (and reading this and many other threads, there is a fair argument to say it already has). But I still do find it weird, and just a touch ironic, when many of the challenges I see are coming in the form of a call to conformity, uniformity and general blandness and some of these old badgers are the ones saying that things need to be broken up a bit and fu.cked around with.

You will notice that I am very carefully sticking to generalisations (nor am I only referring to points made in this thread, but there have been a few similiar ones recently on BA and a few other forums (InOut springs to mind etc.))and deliberately not picking up on any specific individuals points. I think that would be unfair and I would then be doing what you are accusing me of i.e. condascending to people. Attacking somebody for being new and not knowing a lot is shit.

The fact that people are new to a scene isn't a bad thing. The fact that people have strong opinions isn't a bad thing. The fact that people have a passion for the music isn't a bad thing. But the fact that they aren't prepared to open their minds and their ears and take a little bit of advice and a few tips and pointers from others definitely is a very bad thing.

And having read many of your posts on here and getting a flavour of your tastes and opinions from them, I really don't reckon I'm saying a lot there that you would disagree with. Unless of course you really are being hormonal and are looking for a fight, in which case I'll see you behind the (cyber)bike sheds. ;) :lol:

[Patrick]

Shit, sorry for that long and rambling post and the slight thread hi-jack. It's just in this forum I notice that if there's any ambiguity in a post and it can be read as a negative statement, when it was probably meant as a neutral or even positive statement, then somebody will always jump on it and assume you meant the worst, so I was covering all the bases. (not having a go at you, Sunil). But people should ease off on the hair-trigger keyboard action a bit. No wonder it's a nigthmare for Mark to try and moderate.

Anyway, back on track, these are what loops are :



See, they look like they are all different colours and flavours, but when you really get your teeth into them you start to notice they're pretty much all the same. And then after a bit you fancy a change, like a nice packet of Space Dust or something. (see what I'm doing there ? D'ya see ? Geddit ? It's an analogy innit :roll: )

[Tony]

yes, I KNOW EVERYTHING ME, NO BEDROOM BOY IS GONNA TELL ME NUTHIN!! shoot me if i ever sound like that.

does everyone really not know who user is???????????????????
i am shocked!!!!!!!!

[Patrick]

does everyone really not know who user is???????????????????
i am shocked!!!!!!!!

No, shocked, I really don't, not for definite anyways ;) .
So out with it then, who is it ?

[tekku7181]

LOL---hey Patrick,,,,i checked that site u have and i was wondering what dj/producer you are??

trying to get an idea of your sound but only 1 dj has 1 audio link to a mix and that doesnt work??

how bout some links??

[tekku7181]

and i know everyone knows who user is 4 sure

[Patrick]

LOL---hey Patrick,,,,i checked that site u have and i was wondering what dj/producer you are??

trying to get an idea of your sound but only 1 dj has 1 audio link to a mix and that doesnt work??

how bout some links??

Yeah, our site is really out of date at the mo. I should point out that as we are a collective, it's not just representative of 'my' sound but is kind of an average of the stuff that all our crew likes (which ranges from house, breaks right through to hard techno. Although looking at the site, it seems to be more weighted in favour of hard techno at the minute). I've just signed up with a new provider and will be moving it soon so hopefully we'll have a few mixes on there in a while.

The Chris Gawtry link is there because he was a guest at one of our nights. The guest slots weren't always necessarily the kind of stuff that I personally was hugely into, but other members of our collective and certainly a lot of the people who paid to come through the door were really into that sound, and we tried to balance one month of something they would be into and then the next month of something we were really into, that maybe they wouldn't have been exposed to down here.

I don't produce any more, and never for anything more than my own amusement and pleasure when I did, and I'm a shit DJ, but I know what I like :lol: - which is anything from Detroit through to Wonk, and also lots of IDM. Trying to think of some people who really excited me in the last year or so to give an idea of my tastes - Surgeon definitely, working that Ableton Live to maximum effect, and all the BMB stuff has been great. That new Grovskopa mix floats my boat. That Makaton live set that was linked on here by the Electric City people a while back was wicked. Jeff Mills blew me away a couple of times last year, a real return to form. Likewise Robert Hood. Shaun Rudiman live was awesome. Mark Hawkins did the biz. Love anything in that Monolake, Scion, Basic Channel sort of area. Max Duley also. Of the less established jocks, Jerome Hill, Morph and Ryan Blackman have impressed. Plaid stunned me. And Aphex Twin of course, much electronic headfu.ck shenanigans. There's so much more, but I've rambled too much already, and that should give you an idea of my flava.

That's kind of what I try to incorporate in a set, anything from any of those areas. I'm not much bothered with playing all the 'latest' either, so I could end up playing early Detroit tracks that are 15 years old. If it feels right for the moment, it's in. Nice idea, usually let down by my crap mixing :roll: :lol:

Hope that answers your question.

Christ ! Another really long post. Is it obvious I'm laying off the herb at the moment ? :roll: :lol:

[tekku7181]

[quote="Patrick"][quote="Sunil"]

As you well know, the whole thing started because a couple of kids in Belleville ignored the rules and did what they wanted and not what they were 'supposed' to.

i think detroit had something to do with the beginning of techno...

ur(and im not abbreviating you are)

[Patrick]

[quote="tekku7181"][quote="Patrick"]

As you well know, the whole thing started because a couple of kids in Belleville ignored the rules and did what they wanted and not what they were 'supposed' to.

i think detroit had something to do with the beginning of techno...

ur(and im not abbreviating you are)

Dude, Belleville is a suburb of Detroit.

[tekku7181]

[quote="Patrick"][quote="tekku7181"]

As you well know, the whole thing started because a couple of kids in Belleville ignored the rules and did what they wanted and not what they were 'supposed' to.

i think detroit had something to do with the beginning of techno...

ur(and im not abbreviating you are)

Dude, Belleville is a suburb of Detroit.

oh sorry,,,i didnt know that

[Sunil]

Jesus, I don't know how to address the points in your big post Patrick as there's so many and I'm feeling kind of lazy! But yeah, I see what you are saying… It was a case for me to say something or not say and I said it, I just thought that what you said would do more to discourage people from posting than anything else, as I know from other boards I've been on that some people stop posting if they feel they are not been taken seriously or are spoken down to. That isn’t what you meant though and apologies for diving straight in, I shouldn’t have.

Anyway what you said was only a small part of a bigger point which you have made and I'm inclined to agree with you on a lot of it. Regarding attitudes etc. I do find some of the.. hmmm...'newer' people to techno very one track in what they will accept or listen to; for me 'techno' is far too much of a buzz word being used by all in sundry these days, many of whom just equate techno with the banging stuff and nothing else. There’s a whole new breed of people getting into it and that’s great, but some need to open their minds a little. There are others I meet however who know they are new to it and want to gain knowledge, find their sound, producers etc. I think this is great, I much prefer people who i can chat to about it rather than some guy who thinks if it's not like the last record he's heard then it's crap, the guy who sticks with the producers he's heard of and no-one else, or the records he was told were good.. that's boring.

Anyway, gonna leave this thread for a while, don't wanna get in too deep!

[Patrick]

When I just told my mum who User was, she was very surprised. She didn't know that before.