Jesus, I don't know how to address the points in your big post Patrick as there's so many and I'm feeling kind of lazy! But yeah, I see what you are saying… It was a case for me to say something or not say and I said it, I just thought that what you said would do more to discourage people from posting than anything else, as I know from other boards I've been on that some people stop posting if they feel they are not been taken seriously or are spoken down to. That isn’t what you meant though and apologies for diving straight in, I shouldn’t have.

Anyway what you said was only a small part of a bigger point which you have made and I'm inclined to agree with you on a lot of it. Regarding attitudes etc. I do find some of the.. hmmm...'newer' people to techno very one track in what they will accept or listen to; for me 'techno' is far too much of a buzz word being used by all in sundry these days, many of whom just equate techno with the banging stuff and nothing else. There’s a whole new breed of people getting into it and that’s great, but some need to open their minds a little. There are others I meet however who know they are new to it and want to gain knowledge, find their sound, producers etc. I think this is great, I much prefer people who i can chat to about it rather than some guy who thinks if it's not like the last record he's heard then it's crap, the guy who sticks with the producers he's heard of and no-one else, or the records he was told were good.. that's boring.

Anyway, gonna leave this thread for a while, don't wanna get in too deep!