Cutting Loops From Other Producers Trax

[Microdot]

What? :lol:

I thought the same thing when I read that.
I can only assume he missed out the "r" on the end of "liver".
though cutting someone's liver for taking some loops sounds a bit extreme to me.

[djfilthmonger]

yup

immersion

Was it not **** it I'm a drug bucket?

[DannyBlack]

Was it not **** it I'm a drug bucket?

yeah, its on walk the dog. I was just playing on words.

[rhythmtech]

I thought the same thing when I read that.
I can only assume he missed out the "r" on the end of "liver".
though cutting someone's liver for taking some loops sounds a bit extreme to me.

you dont wanna cut his loops!!!!

[Microdot]

you dont wanna cut his loops!!!!

[BloodStar]

as you said: "i payed for it, i play what bit i want.. "

sorted.

[steve loop]

thanks to all for the kind words about our sets :)... more on the way :)


BELFAST CITY TECHNO

[tekara]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

[p_brane]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

nah mate IMO you should be striving to get your own sound, which isnt gonna come from ripping other peoples records. production for me is a very personal thing, a way to express myself.

mashing loads of other peoples loops up in a set is one thing, but i really couldnt bring myself to rip anyones stuff, never mind even thinking of releasing it. if your taking someone elses work and adding your own touch that be a remix.

just my thoughts

[rhythmtech]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

a straight loop is a bit of a no-no really BUT mess with it and make it your own and its creative sampling and if you think of sampling as a valid sound source then why not.

it seems to be a taboo to lift a loop from a techno record - but yet a hip hop or soul or funk record is perfectly acceptable???

right now i can list you out at least 20 releases off the top of my head that have done this.. and a 100 more whos loops i recognize from sample cds.

on the flip-side some people like to make everything from scratch aswell, for my own stuff personally it all depends on the project.

at the end of the day its all about what you make of it, and as long as you're not plagerising someones work, then you shouldnt let anyone else tell you otherwise.

[p_brane]

it seems to be a taboo to lift a loop from a techno record - but yet a hip hop or soul or funk record is perfectly acceptable???

cracking point you make there, i see what your saying but sherly sampling within a genre brings about stagnation?

[acidsaturation]

I don't see a problem. Though I think it's only fair to be good and get permission.

Dance music is about sampling historically, and it certainly is the case that it seems acceptable to get a loop from a hip-hop record or such like and mash it up, but not from another techno record... Why is this?

Yeh you should strive for your own sound, but it's always fun to build on what other people do... To be fair, I almost am inclined to (unless I released a track in some commercial manner where this is not possible) to explicitly state this, in some version on a creative commons licence. I can at least hope that by giving more freedom, if someone wanted to build on what I'd done they would respect the looser boundaries instead of breaking tighter ones.

[rhythmtech]

cracking point you make there, i see what your saying but sherly sampling within a genre brings about stagnation?

only if you sample in a way that brings about stagnation.

with modern samplers like kontakt its so easy to sample a techno tune cause you like a certain element and rework it into a breakbeat or a broken glitchy beat.

this is no differant to sampling a kick and snare from a sample cd and writing your own beat with it.

*todays blackout audio was brought to you by the words "creative" and "sampling"*

[Jay Pace]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

Well, you can do that - but you're making a remix, or a bootleg.

Nothing wrong with that, dance music is built on it but usually breaks or samples are taken from differnet times or different genres - not contemporary artists from the same genre.

If you're "borrowing" another artists work and making a similar tune out them your just making a remix of their track. Suppose the main point of difference is whether or not you have their permission.

[massplanck]

In Drum and Bass they sample old breaks not breaks from other Drum and Bass records!

[rhythmtech]

In Drum and Bass they sample old breaks not breaks from other Drum and Bass records!

and in hip hop they sample old dance records and in electro they sample old hip hop records and in house they sample old disco records.. does it really make a blind bit of differance?

case in point - the source - you got the love
huge house anthem from a well respected producer samples another old house record.


i'll repeat this till my death bed - it aint what you do its the way that you do it

[TechMouse]

and in electro they sample old hip hop records

Technically, in electro there is no sampling - it should all be synthesized.

[rhythmtech]

Technically, in electro there is no sampling - it should all be synthesized.

well if we're gonna get technical then surely we shouldn't be relying on old analog gear to make techno as its meant to be "future" :lol: ... but yet some people would nearly kill their own mother for suggesting otherwise!

i fail to see how the journey is any business of anyone but the person who takes it. its the end result that matters.

if i hear a top tune (no matter what the genre) its still a top tune no matter who/what it samples.

another case in point:

the go team - they rip the fuk outta old northern soul and hip hop records yet they're probably one of the most "today" bands out there.. and he doesnt just sample "creativly", the guy has lifted entire choruses from tunes and stuck them in his own.

and you know what? its a fuking genius album.

[massplanck]

well if we're gonna get technical then surely we shouldn't be relying on old analog gear to make techno as its meant to be "future" :lol: ... but yet some people would nearly kill their own mother for suggesting otherwise!

i fail to see how the journey is any business of anyone but the person who takes it. its the end result that matters.

if i hear a top tune (no matter what the genre) its still a top tune no matter who/what it samples.

another case in point:

the go team - they rip the fuk outta old northern soul and hip hop records yet they're probably one of the most "today" bands out there.. and he doesnt just sample "creativly", the guy has lifted entire choruses from tunes and stuck them in his own.

and you know what? its a fuking genius album.

For some reason I'll agree that its ok to sample outside your chosen genre and use it in your tunes. You're also less likely to get caught !
But sampling techno to make techno? Why would you even need to. People have every bit of software under the sun these days and loads of sounds at their disposal. Dont tell me you honestly feel the need to have to take a loop from a Speedy J record and 'make it your own'? (in a track you are releasing obviously)
That Minus Orange VS Spastik release on clone was a ****ing complete pisstake.

[rhythmtech]

Dont tell me you honestly feel the need to have to take a loop from a Speedy J record and 'make it your own'? (in a track you are releasing obviously)

yes i have. ive sampled kicks, bass notes - anything and everything.

its absolutly no differant to sampling from another genre.. i dont really care if i get caught. is someone really gonna be bothered that i sampled a kick drum from their track? i know i wouldnt be.

*** just to be clear. im not talking about lifting a piece of a track and sticking it on another!!!!!