Should music be given away free?

[Aratron]

See, I've heard this way too much. And, thankfully, just as so many other artists have felt in the past when faced with such silliness from the self-interested, if it's actually true then I'm happy to have been a part of it. :) Free music doesn't undermine anything you do, unless it is just as good, or better, than what you are doing.



Meanwhile, in my own back yard, there's music being made all the time, with no shortage of parties or venues playing it, where the artists give the music away for free over the net, on CD, etc. The scene won't disappear. Only you will if you choose to.

maybe there is free music, but is it on par with the worst of wot Henry has done? no.
Dave The Drummer is (sorry about this dude) a modern day Mozart. Not some coked up knobhead who knows how to work Fruity Loops.

[rhythmtech]

maybe there is free music, but is it on par with the worst of wot Henry has done? no.

now you're just being silly. ok, henry's stuff is pretty special at times but just because its a commercial release doesnt mean its better than a free release.

go to the sub division media website and there's free music available.. all top-notch.

inigo kennedy runs a free net label thats immense.

i could go on all day.

[Aratron]

now you're just being silly. ok, henry's stuff is pretty special at times but just because its a commercial release doesnt mean its better than a free release.

go to the sub division media website and there's free music available.. all top-notch.

inigo kennedy runs a free net label thats immense.

i could go on all day.

now who's deluded?
that what is really destroying the industry too few people of Henry, Guy, Immersion's calibre. And two many big name Techno artists who nobody gives a **** about, the reason they have to give their music away is cos no ****er will be buy it in the first place. don't fool yourself.
law of supply and demand. basic economics. people will pay for a scarce resource i.e a decent SUF (if properly marketed).
will people pay for average dross thats so diluted you can get it for free? no.
don't sell yourself short mate.
your music Baz is good and i would and have paid for it on vinyl. If i was some twat playing it from my pc i would probably pay for some lame mp3 aswell (even of yours, yeah you are that good!)

[davethedrummer]

no-one is saying that the quality of free music is bad
it isn't of course not
it just makes it difficult to sell anything when there is so much for free.
meaning that you have to dj or play live to earn a living now
which is hard on the body and not that well paid either
and it's extremely anti social hours when you have a family at home.

yes ok get a day job you say
maybe maybe not.

but the point is that if i did get a day job that would be the end of it for me
i'm not speaking for anyone else , but i couldn't do both ( well not properly )
and to be honest i love music and i don't want to give it up.

[Aratron]

no-one is saying that the quality of free music is bad
it isn't of course not
it just makes it difficult to sell anything when there is so much for free.
meaning that you have to dj or play live to earn a living now
which is hard on the body and not that well paid either
and it's extremely anti social hours when you have a family at home.

yes ok get a day job you say
maybe maybe not.

but the point is that if i did get a day job that would be the end of it for me
i'm not speaking for anyone else , but i couldn't do both ( well not properly )
and to be honest i love music and i don't want to give it up.

what would you do for a proper job?
Jesus maybe me and a few other hundred acid techno heads could set up a monthly standing order. I ****ing hate giving money to charity, cos it all goes in Swiss Bank Accounts. Why not be the patron of some fantastic artist like some relatively wealthy Roman citizen. Five pounds each a month. Should pay the mortgage. You get on with selling some quality techno.

[davethedrummer]

i've always wanted my very own ice cream van

[Aratron]

i've always wanted my very own ice cream van

here little girly, lick my wet sweety.

[TechMouse]

now who's deluded?
that what is really destroying the industry too few people of Henry, Guy, Immersion's calibre. And two many big name Techno artists who nobody gives a **** about, the reason they have to give their music away is cos no ****er will be buy it in the first place. don't fool yourself.

Is it really so long ago that we all forget how people like Henry, Guy, Lawrie, the Liberators and the rest of the Stay Up Forever lot jump started a scene based on a free party ethic and giving a big fuck you to the music industry establishment?

[Aratron]

Is it really so long ago that we all forget how people like Henry, Guy, Lawrie, the Liberators and the rest of the Stay Up Forever lot jump started a scene based on a free party ethic and giving a big fuck you to the music industry establishment?

and made some amazing music. with fantastic artwork and sleeve designs. wasn' that chaotic. And i figure nearly all of those guys is doing relatively well for themselves.
I remember about 7 years ago, Chris Lib getting married and going to Hawaii for 3 weeks. whilst my friend Techno Phil would tell everybody he lived with his mum in a council flat in Hackney (sure). Bizarre Counter-Transference.

[acidsaturation]

Is it really so long ago that we all forget how people like Henry, Guy, Lawrie, the Liberators and the rest of the Stay Up Forever lot jump started a scene based on a free party ethic and giving a big fuck you to the music industry establishment?

This is what has saddened me slightly about this thread too!

[detfella]

Dave The Drummer is (sorry about this dude) a modern day Mozart.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha, quote of the decade!!

there is free music that is worse, just as good and better than pay for music.

i agree with what other people say, music should cost what the people who make charge for it.

also i always like to point out in these threads, many high profile techno producers use illegal software and sample copyright material.

[detfella]

if some of us didn't get stuck in and treat our music making as a job 24/7 no matter how big or small or rich or poor we are, there would be no dance music scene to speak of and thats the bottom line.

who said that? what a load of bull! you think music only started because people made money from it or some one gave them food from a hunt? music is human expression, it dies when we die. that is the bottom line.

[davethedrummer]

who said that? what a load of bull! you think music only started because people made money from it or some one gave them food from a hunt? music is human expression, it dies when we die. that is the bottom line.

no, thats not what i'm saying at all.

[detfella]

no, thats not what i'm saying at all.

what were you trying to say?

[davethedrummer]

what were you trying to say?

not what you said thats for sure

[morbid]

Music should cost something whatever the format - youre basically buying the right to use / replay someone else's work. There's a difference between an artist choosing to distribute their music for free and someone else making that choice for the artist by uploading whats not theirs.

Lets face it if youre in the UK and making a living out of techno youre probably doing just that - making a living, not creaming money in left right and centre and wiping your ass with £50 notes

The original artist deserves some return on their ideas - whatever that re
turn is (hard cash / promotion etc)

If you make pies and youre having trouble shifting them then give them away - your choice. If your hungry you dont generally go and steal a pie you buy one. If youre pies taste better than anyone elses around then people will buy your pies........

Just my thoughts

[detfella]

not what you said thats for sure

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