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[The Overfiend]

What/who is Shake? Anthony Shakir?

You're kidding right??

[The Overfiend]

Ben Sims (esp. Ingoma), black and Latin crowds react to his stuff

I thought that didn't matter anymore music is music, like saying if I play Tupac the brothers will go crazy.

The guy can take a 4-bar funk loop and make a 5 minute banger out of it, that's genius, people go crazy, so whatever
say

Olav Basoski been doing that for years. To the point Beltram took a Basoski loop and looped it even more taking out 8 measures.

[Alan Oldham]

There was a bit on here where some of you were doggin' out Joey Beltram's new stuff, the disco cut-up sh**. You must not play to actual crowds then, because he blows up the spot, anything on STX, the one track off Tresor: Lumina, and that Player remix (the one that samples Rick James RIP) is a **** monster! The guy can take a 4-bar funk loop and make a 5 minute banger out of it, that's genius, people

It's nothing close to genius. That new Beltram on Tresor is absolutely terrible, it's so cheesy. He can sample the most overused disco/funk samples (Like most of his other STX stuff) and make a 5 minute track out of it? Well rather him than me, this doesn't remotely measure up to any of the amazing music he's made in the past. Sure it may make the girls shake their hips but there's not a hope in hell I'd ever play this kind of stuff out and if I did I'd expect to be lynched for it !

Btw. I'll always have huge respect for Beltram, he's made so much outstanding music, but I'm really not into this stuff.

Like I said, you must not play to actual party crowds with, like, girls dancing and stuff.

Actually lot of people here just appreciate quality tracks. You going to tell me that Beltram track is better than the Samuel L Session on Cycle?
Just because someone doesnt like a track doesnt exactly mean they arent experienced with a crowd as much as you are. I don't think a lot of people here have as much experience with crowds as you do. Doesnt mean we are not entitled to say a track blows, from a producer point of view.

Very true, Sam, we are all entitled to our opinions. I'm just against wholesale bashing of anything and anyone. And where did the SLS comparison come from? I've heard some cheesy/bull**** tracks in my day, but the Beltram stuff's not among them, in my humble opinion. When I had Sims and Ho here in Chicago, they both had the Player 12" and banged the floor with it. These are 2 of the hottest DJs in the world. I guess they don't know music either, right?

When I was in Mexico and Puerto Rico recently, I had people coming up to ask what it was (Player). People don't stop and ask what sh** tracks are.

The yellow one on STX drives women insane. House/disco textures, techno aggression. When I played Vision here in Chi, you have to cross over a bit to the mainstream club crowd. All his new stuff straddles that line. That dark, dirty, evil warehouse sh** is over unless you're in Germany, or unless you like playing to sweaty muscle queens with their shirts off or moody trainspotters (also male) w/ their arms folded (I don't). You have to play to a wider audience these days. I go by experience, not message board opinions. You of course (and I stress this again) are entitled to your own. ;)

[The Overfiend]

The Sls comparison came from when you rocked his track out in Pennsauken Nj and had all of us going ape shit. To me that has way more integrity than the stx material, and I'm not trying to play my mans out either. I understand your point about rockin a crowd no doubt. but I think Joey can put more into a track rather than using a disco loop that has been used by house producers already. To me it's almost like when puffy uses a track from the 80's that already has a sample from a hot ass 70's soul hit. He could have done a bit more research into disco and taken a perhaps hotter loop that wasnt already used on olav basoski's samplitude. I totally understand your comparisons to Pr and all, I'm boriqua dog. So I feel you on the shakin ass bit. But I'm just saying in the realm of b-boy, I think he can rock harder or better man. Without using something that's been rocked.

[dirty_bass]

If we`re gonna talk crowd pleasing here. then lets just break out the britney spears and aguilera records. Cos they get more people moving than techno any day.
But they are commercial.
And not saying or pushing anything forward, as techno is supposed to be.

[The Overfiend]

pushing anything forward, as techno is supposed to be.

knowhatimsayin!

[Martin Dust]

The Sls comparison came from when you rocked his track out in Pennsauken Nj and had all of us going ape shit. To me that has way more integrity than the stx material, and I'm not trying to play my mans out either. I understand your point about rockin a crowd no doubt. but I think Joey can put more into a track rather than using a disco loop that has been used by house producers already. To me it's almost like when puffy uses a track from the 80's that already has a sample from a hot ass 70's soul hit. He could have done a bit more research into disco and taken a perhaps hotter loop that wasnt already used on olav basoski's samplitude. I totally understand your comparisons to Pr and all, I'm boriqua dog. So I feel you on the shakin ass bit. But I'm just saying in the realm of b-boy, I think he can rock harder or better man. Without using something that's been rocked.

I can see what you are saying but take Green Velvet for example - simple stuff, lots of old samples - works like a dream and while you may say it doesn't take much, you could also say well "you didn't". If it works it works and 99.9% of the crowd probably don't give a crap and never will - it's a party not a trainspotters line up of who's too cool for school.

Sometimes I just dig to cheek of it all...take it easy...

Martin

[The Overfiend]

Green Velvet's been sampling disco to make techno since.... well he was one of the first actually, so there's redeeming value. Even the Cajual days he was on some next shit.

[Martin Dust]

There you go, it's purely subjective. Velvet wasn't the first to sample disco, check your history, someone also said that Mills and Cox where pioneers on 3 decks, also very wrong...

[dreadnought]

Who were the first to use 3 decks then? Mills and Cox were certainly 2 of the first - I also remember some bloke called GE Real who used to use 4 back in about 1992. I'd like to hear a definitive answer if you know of someone else though.

[tioneb]

Who were the first to use 3 decks then? Mills and Cox were certainly 2 of the first - I also remember some bloke called GE Real who used to use 4 back in about 1992. I'd like to hear a definitive answer if you know of someone else though.

actually some hip hop performers uses multiple decks way back in the 80s ... of course it didnt have to do with layering/beatmacthing all these records at the same time.

so, actually, i thnik its pretty hard to say "whos the first" .. its like asking "whats the first techno track" ??? as people dont even agree on what is techno, i just think we wont find a unique reply to this type of question.

[Martin Dust]

Many have claimed it but the front runner has to be Nicky Siano...

[dreadnought]

I meant actually using 3 decks to play 3 'tunes' I guess. Siano I thought just used sound FX and stuff like that. Things changed a great deal between what he was doing and what Carl Cox was doing at the start of the Nineties. I know there have been plenty of people who had the capabilities, I'm sure Larry Levan would have had 3 decks at least in that monster 75ft box that he had, but none of them were actually 'renowned' for using 3 decks, more their style of mixing or the sort of records they used to play back then. I reckon Tioneb is right - some of the hip hop innovators in the eighties were probably on it then.

[Martin Dust]

He did use 3 decks...I give up...

[Sunil]

someone also said that Mills and Cox where pioneers on 3 decks, also very wrong...

I said they were the first people in techno to bring it full circle if that's what you are referring to?

[scienceofuse]

Forgot to mention the quality label Adrenogroov - consistent releases and a very musical direction... Lovin' it, a shame we don't get any of their releases down herre... And all the Net stores are "out of stock"... :roll:

A few other labels I forgot to mention : Kurbel (some gr8 stuff on there, like Richard Bartz's Acid Scout project and some of Savas Pascalidis' stronger material), Goodlife (good releases, a few hiccups but also many classics) and Dancefloor killers ( just for the Tonio/Carretta killer "My telephone is dead )...

[The Overfiend]

There you go, it's purely subjective. Velvet wasn't the first to sample disco, check your history, someone also said that Mills and Cox where pioneers on 3 decks, also very wrong...

Green Velvet's been sampling disco to make techno since.... well he was one of the first actually, so there's redeeming value. Even the Cajual days he was on some next shit.

Stop trying to argue with me and let's get back on topic. Labels.

[ncw]

Disko B, Blueprint, Surface, Plus 8, Arc(ane), Light and Dark, M Plant, Eevo Lute Muzique, Counterbalance, Torema, Mego lots of others too.

[Sunil]

Eevo Lute Muzique, .

Peter Benisch did a lovely one on this before.

[Martin Dust]

There you go, it's purely subjective. Velvet wasn't the first to sample disco, check your history, someone also said that Mills and Cox where pioneers on 3 decks, also very wrong...

Green Velvet's been sampling disco to make techno since.... well he was one of the first actually, so there's redeeming value. Even the Cajual days he was on some next shit.

Stop trying to argue with me and let's get back on topic. Labels.

???? But you are wrong fella - no need to argue at all [/fact mode off]