Creamfields Have Not Paid Me!!!

[xes]

If you do manage to find them, creep into their room late at night, perhaps with a balaclava. Then make certain that they sleep naked. Turn the heating up so they pull the covers down. Then, rid yourself of the natural barrier of going near their arse and slip a chocolate button or two in their arse crack.

When they wake up, it would have melted and they will think that they have followed through in their sleep and they might feel slightly ashamed or something.

better still,get them so hammered that they have no clue where they are,and will have no memory in the morning. Go to your revenge kit,which comprises of some human hair,and some pig brains/bones/flesh. Stick a massive dent on their car,and wedge the hairmflesh and brains in the grill,and on the nice big dent you've made. Leave messages on their answering machine from "the police,wanting to talk to him with reguards to a fatal hit and run incident" Shit bricks time (you could also stick some choclate buttons up their bottoms if you like)

[APC]

better still,get them so hammered that they have no clue where they are,and will have no memory in the morning. Go to your revenge kit,which comprises of some human hair,and some pig brains/bones/flesh. Stick a massive dent on their car,and wedge the hairmflesh and brains in the grill,and on the nice big dent you've made. Leave messages on their answering machine from "the police,wanting to talk to him with reguards to a fatal hit and run incident" Shit bricks time (you could also stick some choclate buttons up their bottoms if you like)

Safe! :D

[fils_here]

I'm still in touch with the people at cream uk
They are backing me up
But the buck stops with the polish guys
And they seem to have vanished.
I'm hoping it still may be resolved
But it's a hell of a long time to wait for money

And it's cream!
I shouldn't have to wait.

no man you shouldn't have to wait, you turned up did what you normally get paid for, what a bunch of **nts!! hope it get's sorted henry.

[davethedrummer]

well it's been another week and
still no movement in either direction.
uk insist that poland should pay
poland have run off with the cookie jar
uk are very apologetic but still no dosh or even a promise of dosh.

i'm sharpening the knives

[MARK ANXIOUS]

now that cream are saying no, i think you gotta take it to the next level.

get to the highest guy in the company.. treat it no different to just like you would with a commercial organisation..

also have you sent them an invoice? often with these ppl chrissi will ask for the accounts department and get the cash direct without the arguments/bullshit.

in fact, don't even bother phoning anymore.. send to the main guy a really official looking letter. look round the net for some good templates for complaining to companies... at the end of the day it's a service you provided and you havent been paid... think about who you signed the agreement with. if it was with cream it's easier. but if it was poland, well it's going to be a little more difficult, but it was still in 'creams' name, so you would expect them to hold some responsibility... you'd word your letter to the main guy accordingly then, not being too in ya face, but telling them how you 'hope' they'll sort it out cause you'd 'hate to think they run their business like this'..... get the grammar right, friendly but firm, and oh and don't forget to send it recorded....

then if a few months down the line that isnt working.. speak to your solicitor and see what the options are.. that's when it gets really serious..

i think the key now is to take the 'music trust' out of the equation and get a serious plan of action.... treat it like a game, almost like a challenge too.. you'll sort it mate, i promise. as long as you start to take it seriously and do things fair and by the book

i'm sure you know this anyway heh :)

good luck man

[davethedrummer]

now that cream are saying no, i think you gotta take it to the next level.

get to the highest guy in the company.. treat it no different to just like you would with a commercial organisation..

also have you sent them an invoice? often with these ppl chrissi will ask for the accounts department and get the cash direct without the arguments/bullshit.

in fact, don't even bother phoning anymore.. send to the main guy a really official looking letter. look round the net for some good templates for complaining to companies... at the end of the day it's a service you provided and you havent been paid... think about who you signed the agreement with. if it was with cream it's easier. but if it was poland, well it's going to be a little more difficult, but it was still in 'creams' name, so you would expect them to hold some responsibility... you'd word your letter to the main guy accordingly then, not being too in ya face, but telling them how you 'hope' they'll sort it out cause you'd 'hate to think they run their business like this'..... get the grammar right, friendly but firm, and oh and don't forget to send it recorded....

then if a few months down the line that isnt working.. speak to your solicitor and see what the options are.. that's when it gets really serious..

i think the key now is to take the 'music trust' out of the equation and get a serious plan of action.... treat it like a game, almost like a challenge too.. you'll sort it mate, i promise. as long as you start to take it seriously and do things fair and by the book

i'm sure you know this anyway heh :)

good luck man

sound advice
i'll give it a go
what have i got to loose?

[Lag]

time?

[acidguru]

Build up the pressure,go straight ahead..
Those unlucky punks..

[machina]

Yeah - mark's option is the best - invoice them and if they don't respond send them a official letter saying you have no choice but to turn over the invoice to your debt collectors (and name some debt collection company whether you use them or not)... i've had to do this several times and as soon as they see the mention of a debt collector my money mysteriously appears (sometimes after months of screwing around) - have never actually had to use a debt collector for anything - just to scare them into action

[DannyBlack]

Why not go to the solicitor now? I mean, essentially you are a company- your company provided a service and was never paid for said service. Did you say that you have a contract with them?
Are you contracted to Creamfields the company or to the polish?

Actually, are the polish guys a seperate company? (subcontractors for Creamfields?)
In which case, who's name is on the contract, because it is them who need to pay you.
After that, the next step is to sue, sounds a little cold. However, I think not paying you for a job you did is cold.

Need any legal advice on contract law? PM me.

[krimewave]

then if a few months down the line that isnt working.. speak to your solicitor and see what the options are.. that's when it gets really serious..

I would say weeks rather than months.

[MARK ANXIOUS]

I would say weeks rather than months.

yeah sorry, that's what i meant

[zyclone]

The polish guys should have been kidnapped, taken far away into the woods, got tied up too a tree and fed with shitloads of acid.
But mark EG's solution is a bit better! Good luck with this, hope it gets sorted out for you Henry :)

Exuse my french btw.

[xes]

The polish guys should have been kidnapped, taken far away into the woods, got tied up too a tree and fed with shitloads of acid.

but they didn't pay? Why reward them :;

[davethedrummer]

Why not go to the solicitor now? I mean, essentially you are a company- your company provided a service and was never paid for said service. Did you say that you have a contract with them?
Are you contracted to Creamfields the company or to the polish?

Actually, are the polish guys a seperate company? (subcontractors for Creamfields?)
In which case, who's name is on the contract, because it is them who need to pay you.
After that, the next step is to sue, sounds a little cold. However, I think not paying you for a job you did is cold.

Need any legal advice on contract law? PM me.

I talked to my accountant about this
and he's a very well respected music biz guy himself
he didn';t think there was much point in trying a solicitor as it just wasn;t enough cash to make it fly.

Musicians union maybe
I'm getting a plan together and i'll get it into action next week when i've got a bit more time
i'll let you know how it goes.

[Patrick DSP]

I talked to my accountant about this
and he's a very well respected music biz guy himself
he didn';t think there was much point in trying a solicitor as it just wasn;t enough cash to make it fly.

Musicians union maybe
I'm getting a plan together and i'll get it into action next week when i've got a bit more time
i'll let you know how it goes.

hey henry,

want me to headbutt some guys for you into paying?
seriously though, did you originally deal with the uk guys or the polish guys? who signed the contracts. if it was the uk guys, you'd have an easier time since you're in the same country. if it's polish, you might be S.O.L. because i don't think a musician's union could do much. but you're obviously already dealing with blokes who have more legal experiance at this than i do.

good luck mate.

[zyclone]

but they didn't pay? Why reward them :;

10 sheets of acid and tied to a tree in the woods for a few days isn't a reward.
They would have been f****d for life :)

[MARK ANXIOUS]

this will be VERY interesting to see what happens here. legally, it's pretty obvious. if signed the contract with poland, you're gonna have to understand the polish law system. i would speak to someone you know in poland about how you would tackle something like this as if you were a regular bloke providing a service . if not, it's the uk system. whichever it is mate, and i would do what i said. just think of it from now on as if you were a regular business guy wanting to get paid. what i've learnt is you need to remove yourself from the music 100% and think purely along the lines of law/the way regular shit operates.. it's sometimes very hard for musicians to get their head around that i think.... luckily it hasn't happened that much to me, but the times it has, you need to be on the case and do things by the book. it's the only way you'll get it sorted...

you know, it's kind of obvious, but if you're in the industry, you've got to do alot of this type of crap yourself. it's a damn shame. it would be great getting solicitors/lawyers to sort this out, but tbh many of us can't afford it or it would just not be worth doing if we got one (check henry's first post). hopefully h will chase this and we'll all see a result!!! it truly would be great to get a result :)

[Siege]

Send a bunch of Hackney,pipe weilding heavies over there, go medieval on those fckers!



seriously.....hope you get it sorted Henry.

[JamieBall]

Unfortunately, through personal experience, I can confirm that the people who run/ran cream in Liverpool (theoretically the 'top dogs') are mainly interested in A) Ripping off good people & B) fannying about on foreign islands sticking cocaine up their bum-bums. The tales really are endless.

If you want to get your cash out of them you'll need to start a SEVERE fire under their arses - to be honest I just don't think enough of a blaze could be kindled by someone from our scene, it's not enough of a blow to them to lose our support eh. THEY MOST SURELY DO NOT GIVE A **** ABOUT IT. This is borne out by their complete lack of action on the subject...

Even the fact that they are claiming it to be the fault of the Polish smacks of LAMENESS. It's their ****ing company, if they were really afraid of offending you and/or receiving bad press (like they're getting here) they would be able to sort something out at the drop of a hat. You're not important to them, H. ****ing shit situation but I think that is the bottom line, sadly. So, it's either make yourself important to them (ie such a ****ing nuisance they cannot think without you nipping their heads, which will be difficult and time consuming) or just put it down to experience :-(

Don't play for them again and make sure everyone knows about the situation (you seem to be doing an admirable job so far)

CUNTS.