Start The War On Minimal

[rhythmtech]

to be honest i dont really see adam beyer as mnml at all.. some sounds he uses are pretty obviously from the mnml genre but his latest stuff is just funky techno really.

[djfilthmonger]

to be honest i dont really see adam beyer as mnml at all.. some sounds he uses are pretty obviously from the mnml genre but his latest stuff is just funky techno really.

swedish techno is a lovely style of tesh! and ur ma is beyer in my bed right now. gotta love the ginger pubes

[the_psychologist]

i think that the plinkus plonkus school of minimal does have limited applications, but it can be really cool for creating a lull in a set, almost like a macro version of a single tune's breakdown/buildup.

i think the closest i got was Extrawelt's output, and their tunes are generally dense enough that i think they avoid the genre.

it is weird to me that the public at large, who generally embraces the cheeziest stuff, would develop a taste for music where "less is more". generally "more is more" with the masses. i think it must be regarded as "cool" or something.

[Jay Pace]

Thats ace. Strip out the swing, chuck in a few piano rolls, distorted kicks and a few "lets go's" and you're there.

[Darkmode]

I left that group on facebook as it was full of idiots being negative & bitchy which is a bit childish & immature

[tocsin]

I liked it a lot more when I could hear everything in one place.

[Smear]

I liked it a lot more when I could hear everything in one place.

A lot of people say that though, but unfortunately most people's open-mindedness is the exact opposite of what they claim.

Not a personal dig at you obviously, haha.

[tocsin]

... Whistle...

Sure, or anything else like that. Perhaps I've got rose tinted glasses on, but music lineups in a lot of the venues/parties around NYC until about the end of the 90s just seemed to incorporate more.

A lot of people say that though, but unfortunately most people's open-mindedness is the exact opposite of what they claim.

Not a personal dig at you obviously, haha.

Yeah. I'm not sure how much it is about open-mindedness vs. being in the know for some though. At least, around NYC, clubs pretty much cater to one sound on a given night. Most of the other parties promoted at them are also one sound events. The more diverse stuff can be harder to find if you're looking in the obvious spots, which is kinda backward.

[The Overfiend]

You mean Whistle Parties in Pennsauken?

[Patrick DSP]

At first, when I saw this group I thought it was just your basic, i hate this shit, my shit is better type of group. But then i read what they were actually saying about minimal music and how it's completly taken over every club and even with prime time slots in clubs and events; it made sense. i'm sorry but for prime time, i'd like to let my hair down and thrash about a bit harder than 130bpm. not to say there isn't a place for minimal, there is. i actually enjoy it, but i enjoy the ability to choose more.

I miss being able to choose what type of music i'd like to listen to when i go out. rather than which minimal or electro house artist i'd like to listen to (again).

So for me, start the war against minimal? damn right i singed up! do i want it to go away all together? hell no! Variety is the spice of life. But, do i want bandwagon dj's to stop trying to cash in on fads? ****ing hell yes.

[S.L.U.T Promotions]

At first, when I saw this group I thought it was just your basic, i hate this shit, my shit is better type of group. But then i read what they were actually saying about minimal music and how it's completly taken over every club and even with prime time slots in clubs and events; it made sense. i'm sorry but for prime time, i'd like to let my hair down and thrash about a bit harder than 130bpm. not to say there isn't a place for minimal, there is. i actually enjoy it, but i enjoy the ability to choose more.

I miss being able to choose what type of music i'd like to listen to when i go out. rather than which minimal or electro house artist i'd like to listen to (again).

So for me, start the war against minimal? damn right i singed up! do i want it to go away all together? hell no! Variety is the spice of life. But, do i want bandwagon dj's to stop trying to cash in on fads? ****ing hell yes.

i agree patrick...i play minimal as well as harder stuff...i play a variety of styles (hard/industrial/minimal/electro/dub etc..)because i like to mix it up..im playing minimal and down tempo techno at my event on saturday but the time slot for this is early (2nd set) because it has a place there to build the night up to a peak time style (cue mr mooy)....minimal is not a peak time music (imo)....only for a minimal orientated night (of course).....these bandwagon dj's need to to wake up...there selling themselves short...in the wise words of bill hicks "play from your ****ing heart!"....R.I.P bill hicks

[Jay Pace]

Why does everyone assume every punter, dj and producer is "bandwaggoning"

Why aren't people allowed to genuinely like going out, playing and making the stuff?

[tocsin]

Why does everyone assume every punter, dj and producer is "bandwaggoning"

Why aren't people allowed to genuinely like going out, playing and making the stuff?

Probably depends what region you are in. Around NYC, I've definitely grown a bit sick of it. Over a decade ago, the friends I had who were into minimal would make fun of other people for dancing because they "wouldn't be able to dissect the music." No joke. This wasn't just one douchebag either and they thoroughly believed that, to dissect (aka. appreciate) a track that is "minimal," moving to it would kill that. They considered it the same as adding ketchup to a gourmet meal. Now, in more recent times, add a fair amount of cocaine to that kind of silly snobbery, and the minimal "scene" just gets really dull very quickly.

As for bandwagoning, look into "Minitek" and make your call. You'll find just about any and every complaint made about a style of music or a festival in a number of those review threads, many of which were well earned.

[Smear]

Well yeah, you could argue that this kind of group is a form of bandwagoning, since it's directly and deliberately opposed to another supposed bandwagon.

It's almost impossible to be completely unaffected by changes in the world around you. Some people will adapt, others will refuse to for the sake of it, and others will make what they think are minimal and reasonable concessions to get by with what they do, be that releasing records, putting on nights or just going out and enjoying themselves.

Situations like the current climate in techno are a lot more complex than a lot of people would like to think, and there are much more than just two stances available.

[Darkmode]

I read an interview with Dave Clarke a few month ago & he said that Minimal does not work at big dance music festvials

[Jay Pace]

I read an interview with Dave Clarke a few month ago & he said that Minimal does not work at big dance music festvials

I saw him at Sonar 2007

He was awesome, liveset from that is kicking about on the interweb and is full on balls to the wall techno, recommend it highly.

But the rest of the night more or less was minimal. It worked. People were happy. Same with Exit festival last year. Just a different vibe, thats all.

[koma]

you dont need to hear that from clarke
i would tell you the same

[koma]

tbh, i heard from most people they were bored to death in dance arena...

[Jay Pace]

Yeah, some of it was a bit dull. Green Velvet was dead good. But generally, everyone I was with and everyone I met was having fun. Drinking beers, having a laugh with mates, having a bit of a stomp. Was mostly fairly low key stuff with a very different vibe. But people were having fun.

If you only went to listen to the music you'd be bored, but I always felt festivals were more about atmosphere and having a larf than going specifically to listen intently to whoever was playing.

[Darkmode]

I have respect for Dave Clarke as he is keeping it real & sticking to his guns