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[rhythmtech]

learn the rules. then break the rules.

our entire genre is only in existance because of sampling. just be creative in how you do it.

[Honeey]

I don't agree with encouragement to steal and use other peoples drum patterns etc in a tutorial. I agree with encouraging people to be original. They can do whatever they want but don't teach them bad habits lol

[rhythmtech]

I don't agree with encouragement to steal and use other peoples drum patterns etc in a tutorial. I agree with encouraging people to be original. They can do whatever they want but don't teach them bad habits lol

i think you'll find the word is sampling not stealing

simple way to look at it:

1. lift a loop and use it as it originally was = GAY
2. lift a loop, chop it up, rearrange it, make it sound like nothing you've heard before = COOLNESS.

[Smear]

simple way to look at it:

1. lift a loop and use it as it originally was = GAY
2. lift a loop, chop it up, rearrange it, make it sound like nothing you've heard before = COOLNESS.

Yeah but what one person would class as 1, someone else could class as 2. Even Vanilla Ice argued that adding one note to the bassline of Under Pressure made it something original.

Also, drum&bass and its predecessors may have been based on sampling other music, but techno wasn't. That's just a myth perpetuated by people who like to steal loops from other people's music :p.

[rhythmtech]

Yeah but what one person would class as 1, someone else could class as 2. Even Vanilla Ice argued that adding one note to the bassline of Under Pressure made it something original.

well adding 1 note to a bassline is completly differant to chopping an audio file into slices, sticking them in a sampler and using the single slices as drum hits.

and to be honest about it ive lifted loops myself in the past. especially when i was starting and wasnt to confident about my own stuff. but like i said its not what you do its the way that you do it.

Also, drum&bass and its predecessors may have been based on sampling other music, but techno wasn't.

well techno has been so bastardised thru the years that it doesnt really make a differance anymore.

look, this topic has been done to death here and no-one will ever agree so just do what you do and if people like it then great.

[Honeey]

i think you'll find the word is sampling not stealing

simple way to look at it:

1. lift a loop and use it as it originally was = GAY
2. lift a loop, chop it up, rearrange it, make it sound like nothing you've heard before = COOLNESS.

lol good point :)

[TechMouse]

I don't agree with encouragement to steal and use other peoples drum patterns etc in a tutorial.

I dunno... countless quality tunes have been built around the rhythm of a classic breakbeat or whatever.

[RDR]

How about stealing an arrangement?

To my knowledge there is only ONE arrangement that has been at the forefront of defending its own copyright.. and thats John Cage's 4' 33''.. its as simple as this, how do you copyright an arrangement of nothing... and thats because to play nothing, you cannot change a thing, becuase nothing is there to change... its a real mind bender!!!!! and been succesfully defended in the court twice i seem to remember.

drum patterns are a difficult one... breaks and standard drum patterns have been around for years - they are printed without refernce to an originator (AFAIK) and are available for robbing.

recordings of drum patterns are a different thing altogether. The copyright covers the song writer (rarely a drummer by origin) the performance (the drummer themselves) and recording copyright (the person/studio where the performance was recorded and possibly mastered)

And all this has to considered on top of the phrase "Prior Art" which covers such things as chords, scales, basic chord progressions etc.

Sampling, breaking, effecting and possibly re-pitching are perfectly acceptable ways of taking what is effectivly a sound and re-enginnering it.

Sampling, reversing and leaving as is becomes not just un-original but also makes a producer into a dreadful shit.

:lol:

[Honeey]

I dunno... countless quality tunes have been built around the rhythm of a classic breakbeat or whatever.

I don't disagree with sampling in music it wouldn't be the same without it but I think learning how to be creative from "scratch" first just makes the person develop a more creative mindset with whatever they do in the future. :)

[rhythmtech]

I don't disagree with sampling in music it wouldn't be the same without it but I think learning how to be creative from "scratch" first just makes the person develop a more creative mindset with whatever they do in the future. :)

you're 1005 right. you need to learn the rules before you can break them.