Doomed. We're all doomed.

[serox]

cos ur going to the wrng places :)

places i go i think 99% of people are there for the music. cos techno is still so underground in london compared to other places when there is a techno night on, people are there for the music. think most people r stilll (thank god) going to garage and rnb clubs to pull.

[Numeric]

There are many clubs which provide for a good crowd of people with the right attitude...

I still like Tangled at the Pheonix in Manchester, even though the music is generally a little soft for my tastes, the atmosphere and general mood of the club make for a good night...

[wenna]

perhaps judge jules and peter tong will 'get together' and form a rock band!!! ;)

[Paul Zykotik]

most people don´t care about the music anyways. They just want to go out, get drunk or get high and find someone to screw. I´ve been observing the crowds now for a few years. That´s what it really comes down to. The majority does not care out the music at all.

But to an extent hasn't it always been like that? I think a lot of people into raving/clubbing/call it what you will are in love with the ethos of rebellion and the excitement of doing something different, rather than the music itself. That's why so many fall out of dance music once they stop taking drugs. You'll always have a core of people who love the music, and especially in techno because it's not the most accessible style of music around. But for the rest it's just a period in their life - youthful exuberance probably - where they can go crazy and forget everything else in everyday life.

[jonnyspeed]

geeetar indie pop sucks donkey's cock. Same dull 3 cords they were playing in 1987 and depressing as shit lyrics. I stick to music to dance to, no fall asleep to :)

shite.




IMHO :)

[daviec]

most people don´t care about the music anyways. They just want to go out, get drunk or get high and find someone to screw. I´ve been observing the crowds now for a few years. That´s what it really comes down to. The majority does not care out the music at all.

But to an extent hasn't it always been like that? I think a lot of people into raving/clubbing/call it what you will are in love with the ethos of rebellion and the excitement of doing something different, rather than the music itself. That's why so many fall out of dance music once they stop taking drugs. You'll always have a core of people who love the music, and especially in techno because it's not the most accessible style of music around. But for the rest it's just a period in their life - youthful exuberance probably - where they can go crazy and forget everything else in everyday life.

Yeah I'd agree with that. At first it used to piss me off as I've watched folk I used to go to clubs with gradually fall away and move to other things as we get a bit older. Now I realise they were never in it for the music, despite many discussions with them at afterparties about the ins/outs of the tunes we'd heard that night I realise now I was probably the only one bringing it up in conversation. It's meant my circle of friends has gradually shifted. At the same time there have been surprises for me. Some of the people I would never have had down as techno lovers are still here with me and get just as excited as I do when we head out to a club.

So fuck all the dafties that were in the clubs coz it was fashionable. For me the music scene where I am has been getting stronger and stronger, and it's because we're losing all the watered down commercial dance shit, and the "super" clubs.

The best clubs have always been the ones with an extreme music policy in one sense or another. The ones for the true music lovers. Small, dark dingy clubs with people from all over who've travelled to hear the music they love.

I always think back to Nosebleed/North at Rosyth. A mixture of hardcore/techno/hard trance and one of the best clubs I ever went to.

Now though I'm finding great clubs just like it all over. Techno blasting over the speakers, a passionate promoter just out to spread the sound for like minded people, and a great crowd. Club 69 in Paisley. It's just a basement under an Indian Restaurant, converted to have some speakers and a dancefloor. You've even got to go round the back of the building and enter through the fire exit. I went to a "Foresight" night and it was tremendous. Ade Fenton playing to about 50 folk and it was superb.

"Drummed", "Re-Fresh", "Twisted vs Brainfire" at the Vault in Glasgow all have at least a techno room, and I know having played Drummed that people are right up for a good dose of real hard techno.

I think rather than the death of dance music we're heading into a new dawn. The darkness of corporate, mainstream, bullshit in our scene has been lifted, and as the media shifts it's attention we can get back down with the underground.

Here we go

[spiralx]

cos ur going to the wrng places :)

places i go i think 99% of people are there for the music. cos techno is still so underground in london compared to other places when there is a techno night on, people are there for the music. think most people r stilll (thank god) going to garage and rnb clubs to pull.

ROFL yeah you don't go to a squat party because it's "cool" or to pull ;)

Coming to the 100K party this weekend?

[Paul Zykotik]

I always think back to Nosebleed/North at Rosyth. A mixture of hardcore/techno/hard trance and one of the best clubs I ever went to.

Definitely mate. Those were the days! A dingy little club in an even dingier little town, but some of the best nights ever!

"Drummed", "Re-Fresh", "Twisted vs Brainfire" at the Vault in Glasgow all have at least a techno room, and I know having played Drummed that people are right up for a good dose of real hard techno.

Yep, the techno scene in Scotland has been pretty strong for some time. It used to be Edinburgh that was the techno stronghold, but that slowly seems to be shifting towards Glasgow now. I remember the old Edinburgh days of Pillbox, Apex etc...and while everyone was there getting trashed, everyone loved the music as well. Most of the people I went out with back then are still kicking around doing something related to techno, whether it's running nights, labels or just still playing out. It highlights really that the article posted in this thread really can't be applied to techno! (No disrespect to the person who started this thread, as I found it an interesting read)

Long live the underground!

[Patrick]

It highlights really that the article posted in this thread really can't be applied to techno! (No disrespect to the person who started this thread, as I found it an interesting read)

No disrespect taken. That's more or less my own feeling, which is why I said at the start of my post that I thought the death of these superclubs and "the scene" as manufactured by the media (not to be confused with the real scene that we're all very much still part of and which is still very much alive and turning out some of the most exciting sounds for years imo) is a good thing. I was just interested in what everybody else felt about it.

I know they have nothing to do with techno, you know that, and from this thread it's clear everyone using this forum knows that, but a lot of people don't i.e the Shermans who go to these big clubs and who really don't know the difference between HH and techno (see somebody elses comments about people who only care about being fu.cked and not about the music). So I won't be sad to see the back of them. And I won't be sad when the people who are genuinely into the music get back to supporting the smaller clubs. And I won't be sad when I no longer have people coming up to me at a night I've advertised as a techno night, telling me that "what you want to play, mate, is a nice bit of hard house to lift the crowd". Wrong. what you want to do, mate, is **** off back down the Ritzy.

I'm happy to stick a metaphorical shotgun in the mouth of these suffering superclubs, superstar DJs, media-whores and bandwagon jumpers and to pull the trigger to put them out of their misery.

This bit cracked me up, though :

Malik Meer was editor of Muzik when it folded and now finds himself deputy editor of New Musical Express. He says: "The dance culture as a whole got lazy. It came to be perceived as one thing: this cheesy, superclub, larging-it lifestyle, and the magazines ended up representing just the girls, the drugs and Ibiza."

To Meer this tunnel vision failed to recognise that "the history of dance music came from an underground culture and was about being edgy and anti-establishment. At the height of superclub-dom, a club would be £25 to get in and full of slightly-older people, glammed up and wearing crap labels," he says. "If you are young and want to be cool, you are not going to buy into that. The next generation thought 'That's a bit naff, I wouldn't mind skate-punk metal. That's a better means with which to menace.'"

So, it didn't cross his mind when he was the editor of one of these guilty magazines to try and do something about it then, instead of following like a sheep and running endless "Beefa" specials, fashion tips and "Ketamine ! is it the new ecstacy?" type articles ? Pots and kettles spring to mind.

[Paul Zykotik]

Agreed on all points. I've never associated mainstream dance culture with what we're all doing, and I'm happy to keep it underground. People might be right in saying the days of big raves are gone, but they've been gone since 1992. The underground has survived throughout, and although it suffers its rough periods, it always picks itself back up again.

I had a thought the other day, relating to the fact Camden Palace and The Fridge (two of London's major allnight venues) are to close in the next 2 months. What if the authorities really made an effort to try and shut down club culture? I think something like that could actually be its saviour - people are forced out to warehouses or back to the fields in order to enjoy the music they love...often these free parties have a varied music policy...the illegality and rebellion of it all attracts more people...and so it all comes full circle again.

Obviously this is hypothetical, but if club culture really is in these supposed dire straights, who knows what the underground will produce?

Anyway, I've gone off on a bit of a tangent there. It's nice to know there's a whole community of us who are able to laugh at these reports. The Muzik example you give is brilliant. I remember their old techno reviews. German stuff "too hard"...experimental stuff "too weird"...Intec "the future of techno" :roll:

Now who's having the last laugh?

[T]

I'm not bothered if the "dance" scene ot whatever is less popular. Maybe people who are still into there various forms of dance & electronic music are actually genuinely into it rather then just into the scene for a bit as a phase when it's popular.
I mean no disrepect to anyone who just liked popping a few beans for a short while and clubbing, fair enough, each to their own, I don't want to sound like an inverted snob, but myself i love my music and it's more to me than just a stage in my life where I was into clubbing and rugs or whatever. There will always be a a scene of sorts as there are plenty of passionate people into their techno etc.....just look at this board.
As for the decline in so called "superclubs" I really couldn'pt give a f***! there are much better places to hear music.
That's a penines worth from me!

[Tony]

perhaps judge jules and peter tong will 'get together' and form a rock band!!! ;)

did anyone see the AMERICAN dance music awards??

un-be-****ing-leivable!!!!!!!

ok so they have to appeal to strongly pigeon holed dumb ass mtv junkies.
so 1st up we have puff daddy repeating one line for about 5mins with some dancey toss in the background - so thats black mtv watching america sorted out, now what about whitey?
up steps paul oakenfold behind a big rack of synths while this vest wearing, tattoed, peirced, bleach blonde numetal cliche runs around on stage going 'huuuugh, yeaaagh!!'.........tossers!! what the hell goes on?? there where guitarists and big marshall racks and shit. but the market audience division was clear. both sides of the coin told that dance music is cooooooool!!

tragic!!

[massplanck]

Guys Guys Guys why so gloomy? Dont you know that if you stick to your guns when things are shit you will all come out smelling of roses when dance music gets (ultra)popular again.

I'm happy for us. All it is is a bit of breathing space that's well needed...

Anyway what follows immediately after a depression? A ****ING UPTURN.

[Bughead]

It can only get harder, we , the humans ( and present company accepted ) will take control of the machines and make them do more unspeakable things. I would like it to return to years ago of huge outdoor raves like the Teknivals and such like but I see that Eastern Europe is beginning to open up big time to this type of festival with the Czech Republic coming on in leaps and bounds. The question has to be asked whether or not these people who are suffering now were initially in for the money or the music? Seems to everyone now ( especially their bank manager) that they were in it for the money and now as they didnt diversify that they suffer. Phaq em!!! Its time for the crusties to return with their souund systems, come back Spiral Tribe all is forgiven!!


"""I don´t really care, techno will remain in the underground and chances are it will become darker, harder and more intense.


and to put it simple: as long as there are drugs, there will be raves ;)[/quote]

>>> Eh Amok what are you suggesting? Free drugs at your raves :lol: :lol: :lol:

[spiralx]

There's tons and tons of free techno parties around Europe all the time... even in London alone there's always at least four or five each Saturday to choose from. During the summer there's generally at least one massive teknival every weekend as well. It's not even slightly dead :clap: