what is loop techno...?

[professor]

i've seen a couple of references to "loop techno". i'm a little confused about what this is actually.

techno is based on bunches of loops, as is all music for that matter

...melody...chorus....melody...chorus...and so on.

[dan the acid man]

alot of techno sounds like its just loops on the face of it, but if you listen carefully you can usually hear synth lines e.t.c that arent loops as they are constantly having there filters tweaked, also you can probably hear little changes in percussion, extra hits, different notes, extra fx and so on, if im wrong somebody please correct me as im from a london techno background which isnt loops.

[professor]

right.

I understand that Modulation is a key to keeping any sounds interesting...but often the synth line repeats itself, even if it is being modulated. Maybe every 2bars, maybe every 4bars, etc.

Also, even if the drums/percussion change subtly within a track do they change so much that they never repeat themselves?

I hear ya on the dj tool tip. Some techno is just the first 4bars over and over and over. But I still think all music is based on loops, except maybe pure improv.

[observer]

See your point professor, even though basically all techno and other genres of music are looping segments of the song, in this case it most likely means that the artist is using more or less readymade beatloops that builds up a sound that hasn´t got that much melody or synthhooks to it.

[The Overfiend]

funny everybody talks in this section called "looptechno"
but when i called it biting people get quiet.

[professor]

biting other peoples grooves is un-called-for. JUST MAKE YOUR OWN SHIT! YOU GOT THE TOOLS, JUST DO IT.

Oh and don't hate because I said it.

(Iknowthisisadeadsubject,justhadtogetitout)
cheers!

[duncandisorderly]

surely loop based techno can be made with your own loops??? and saying that you shouldnt sample someone elses stuff is silly too as they got their samples and beats from a machine that you could have bought too. dance music has been sample based for years and does not mean that its a bad thing. the trick lies in changing it sufficiently so that it becomes your own work anyway.

[Ritzi Lee]

here in holland (i don't know if this is the case anywhere else) some so called techno purists use 'looptechno' as cursing...

i totally do not agree.
when james brown introduced the funk, all drum elements and instruments where used as repeating patterns....

later when the first dance tracks where born, all elements where sequenced as loops. so the whole dance and techno is based on looping. ok we know how to tweak and modulate and filter and so on... this keeps the sound driving and interesting.... it's based on the art of playing with effects rather than with melodies... techno producers anr't musicians!!! they are beat creators. :lol:

[jonnyspeed]

I've only heard this term used in a derogatory manner to say that the techno has been put together with little to no talent because all it is is one or two repeated loops that just plod never building up and never actually going anywhere. In my honest opinion, Glenn Wilson is very guity of boring plod plod yawn "loop techno", whilst Jeff Amadeus is not because of stronger phases and more dynamic basslines.

[crime]

techno producers anr't musicians!!! they are beat creators. :lol:

??????

[DROID]

according to pure plastic site...ben sims is the loop techno king

[dcdn]

i think Ben Sims is kinda loop techno?!
well that's my personal opinion

[Ritzi Lee]

techno producers anr't musicians!!! they are beat creators. :lol:

??????

is that so hard to understand??

[Sunil]

techno producers anr't musicians!!! they are beat creators. :lol:

??????

is that so hard to understand??

Actually I don't agree either, saying that techno producers are not musicians is far to sweeping a statement to be able to make, it just ain't true..

[Ritzi Lee]

Actually I don't agree either, saying that techno producers are not musicians is far to sweeping a statement to be able to make, it just ain't true..

Ok now we have an interesting discussion. :)

In what way you can show me that a techno producer is a musician??

[The Overfiend]

Justin Berkovi

[Sunil]

Actually I don't agree either, saying that techno producers are not musicians is far to sweeping a statement to be able to make, it just ain't true..

Ok now we have an interesting discussion. :)

In what way you can show me that a techno producer is a musician??

Quite simply actually. By definition a 'musician' is somebody who composes music.

[Sunil]

[quote="Sunil"][quote="Ritzi Lee"]

By definition a 'musician' is somebody who composes music.

well, someone who is skilled at composing music anyway, this is of course a subjective matter!

[jonnyspeed]

Actually I don't agree either, saying that techno producers are not musicians is far to sweeping a statement to be able to make, it just ain't true..

Ok now we have an interesting discussion. :)

In what way you can show me that a techno producer is a musician??

Easy. Both Guy McAffer and Henry were in a band before going banging 'aving it acid techno. Guy played the keyboards and Henry the drums. Both are musicians and techno producers. Take it up with Henry if you want to.

I can not see how you can be good at writing techno if you are not a musician. Without an understanding of percussion, harmonics, timing, etc. its just going to sound like somebody is playing with Reason/Fruity/Logic/Cubase etc. Beleave me, I wish I had a musical background - its a whole language on its own, that if you can speak it you can put alot of smiles on people faces.

The difference between a musician and a non-musician is that a musician can get what he hears in his head into a sequencer - a non-musician generally only uses trial-and-error to get something that sounds good by experimenting and it never sounds like what you thought it would.

Peace.

[Tony]

some people are saying ALL music is made from loops, poppycock!! you have to be careful when making such sweeping statements.
and to say techno producers arent musicians. thats a touchy one. you'd have to know the individual artist to know if he had any musical training, but is that all that being a msucian depends on?? i dont think it is.