Finaly fake live acts are beeing exposed!

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

It all comes out of a speaker at the end of the day . but I would feel a little cheated or dirty if I knew some guy/gal has just pressed play on a cd and stood there dancing to it on the stage thinking he is the shit .

Djs do that all the time :)

If the crowd are getting off on it then the guy that wrote it is the shit.

[TechMouse]

Djs do that all the time :)

If the crowd are getting off on it then the guy that wrote it is the shit.

Fair comment to a point, but you could say the same about the Tiësticle or whatever. His tunes get spanked out to massive crowds who all seem to get off on it in some way or another.

At the end of the day, when it comes to rave music everyone plays a part - from the promoters who put it all together, the producers who craft the beats, the DJs who play them, the artists who play live sets right down to the people who pay their hard earned to come boogie.

There is a weird cult of DJ worship that stems from the fact that the mainstream music machine doesn't cope well with anything that doesn't have obvious figureheads, but really - who gives a shit?

If you're having fun doing what you're doing then fuck everyone else and their opinions.

I was DJing at a house party last week, and some eastern European guy was giving me his 2p about how I really ought to be playing some minimal, and that hard techno was "so 2004", whatever the fuck that means. He then proceeded to give me a lecture about how to use my own mixer, claiming he was a professional sound engineer. Frankly I just found it amusing.

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

Fair comment to a point, but you could say the same about the Tiësticle or whatever. His tunes get spanked out to massive crowds who all seem to get off on it in some way or another.

At the end of the day, when it comes to rave music everyone plays a part - from the promoters who put it all together, the producers who craft the beats, the DJs who play them, the artists who play live sets right down to the people who pay their hard earned to come boogie.

There is a weird cult of DJ worship that stems from the fact that the mainstream music machine doesn't cope well with anything that doesn't have obvious figureheads, but really - who gives a shit?

If you're having fun doing what you're doing then fuck everyone else and their opinions.

I was DJing at a house party last week, and some eastern European guy was giving me his 2p about how I really ought to be playing some minimal, and that hard techno was "so 2004", whatever the fuck that means. He then proceeded to give me a lecture about how to use my own mixer, claiming he was a professional sound engineer. Frankly I just found it amusing.

I am quite a bit more tolerant of music genre now, more so than when I was younger and obsessed with one genre etc. but hey we all grow up. As for being told what to play, I would have chinned him. But from experience he might well have had a point with regards to the mixer. I am quite pissed by how someone who cant hold a beat or understand something as simple as gain staging is allowed near a mixer.

You may well not be one of those, so that isn't directed at you.

[TechMouse]

I am quite a bit more tolerant of music genre now, more so than when I was younger and obsessed with one genre etc. but hey we all grow up. As for being told what to play, I would have chinned him. But from experience he might well have had a point with regards to the mixer. I am quite pissed by how someone who cant hold a beat or understand something as simple as gain staging is allowed near a mixer.

You may well not be one of those, so that isn't directed at you.

:lol:

Well, I hope I don't fit into that category. Even so, I wouldn't dream of going up to a DJ at any kind of event (house party, warehouse party, club, whatever) and try to tell them how to do their job.

That said, I did have to reign in one of the D&B DJs last week who seemed to think that Red = Good. Down on the mixer, up on the amp... sounds better, less chance of blowing the amp. But in fairness, it was my mixer and my mate's rig.

[markandrew]

If you're having fun doing what you're doing then fuck everyone else and their opinions.

on the nail

[davethedrummer]

Djs do that all the time :)

If the crowd are getting off on it then the guy that wrote it is the shit.

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

[TechMouse]

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

Bingo.

Techno can be dull as anything when it's unmixed.

It's definitely a style where the difference between a good DJ and a bad DJ is much more pronounced.

[The_Laughing_Man]

DULL unimaginative static Techno can be dull as anything when it's unmixed.

Corrected

[TechMouse]

Corrected

Note the use of the word "can" in that sentence.

There's some excellent standalone Techno out there.

It's in the minority though.

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

I agree, and even more so with techno.

I have deliberately exaggerated things to make a point. Just trying to fuel a bit of discussion.

For me personally, I am more concerned about going to a party and having to endure poor mixing skills than how live an act/artist really is.

[TechMouse]

For me personally, I am more concerned about going to a party and having to endure poor mixing skills...

Just go to better parties.

Works for me.

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

Just go to better parties.

Works for me.

Where m8

I been away for 5 years. What happened? I am in London.

I went to something before xmas in Brixton, up Coldharbour lane. A few guys from Kinetic, but honestly what a crock of shit. What happened?

[TechMouse]

Where m8

I been away for 5 years. What happened? I am in London.

I went to something before xmas in Brixton, up Coldharbour lane. A few guys from Kinetic, but honestly what a crock of shit. What happened?

Off the top of my head...

Under the Stairs at the 333 in Shoreditch next Friday should be a good laugh.

Keep an eye on the Malfaiteurs lot - they know how to throw a good bash.

Some decent warehouse parties out Hackney Wick way with reasonable frequency. I think there's one on April 17th, but unfortunately I'm out of the country.

Nuclear Free Zone always looks good - haven't made it down yet, but I shall endeavour to do so as and when I can. I hear good things.

[FuK-NuT]

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

n thats the difference...

[djfilthmonger]

Djs do that all the time :)

If the crowd are getting off on it then the guy that wrote it is the shit.

well I really like djing and you definetly like wat ur doing. I dont really see the point in deciding which is better. at end of the day Im going to keep doing wat i do . I do like messing ard with producing tracks but its a secondary hobby for me right now