Finaly fake live acts are beeing exposed!

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

Fair comment to a point, but you could say the same about the Tiësticle or whatever. His tunes get spanked out to massive crowds who all seem to get off on it in some way or another.

At the end of the day, when it comes to rave music everyone plays a part - from the promoters who put it all together, the producers who craft the beats, the DJs who play them, the artists who play live sets right down to the people who pay their hard earned to come boogie.

There is a weird cult of DJ worship that stems from the fact that the mainstream music machine doesn't cope well with anything that doesn't have obvious figureheads, but really - who gives a shit?

If you're having fun doing what you're doing then fuck everyone else and their opinions.

I was DJing at a house party last week, and some eastern European guy was giving me his 2p about how I really ought to be playing some minimal, and that hard techno was "so 2004", whatever the fuck that means. He then proceeded to give me a lecture about how to use my own mixer, claiming he was a professional sound engineer. Frankly I just found it amusing.

I am quite a bit more tolerant of music genre now, more so than when I was younger and obsessed with one genre etc. but hey we all grow up. As for being told what to play, I would have chinned him. But from experience he might well have had a point with regards to the mixer. I am quite pissed by how someone who cant hold a beat or understand something as simple as gain staging is allowed near a mixer.

You may well not be one of those, so that isn't directed at you.

[TechMouse]

I am quite a bit more tolerant of music genre now, more so than when I was younger and obsessed with one genre etc. but hey we all grow up. As for being told what to play, I would have chinned him. But from experience he might well have had a point with regards to the mixer. I am quite pissed by how someone who cant hold a beat or understand something as simple as gain staging is allowed near a mixer.

You may well not be one of those, so that isn't directed at you.

:lol:

Well, I hope I don't fit into that category. Even so, I wouldn't dream of going up to a DJ at any kind of event (house party, warehouse party, club, whatever) and try to tell them how to do their job.

That said, I did have to reign in one of the D&B DJs last week who seemed to think that Red = Good. Down on the mixer, up on the amp... sounds better, less chance of blowing the amp. But in fairness, it was my mixer and my mate's rig.

[markandrew]

If you're having fun doing what you're doing then fuck everyone else and their opinions.

on the nail

[davethedrummer]

Djs do that all the time :)

If the crowd are getting off on it then the guy that wrote it is the shit.

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

[TechMouse]

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

Bingo.

Techno can be dull as anything when it's unmixed.

It's definitely a style where the difference between a good DJ and a bad DJ is much more pronounced.

[The_Laughing_Man]

DULL unimaginative static Techno can be dull as anything when it's unmixed.

Corrected

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

I agree, and even more so with techno.

I have deliberately exaggerated things to make a point. Just trying to fuel a bit of discussion.

For me personally, I am more concerned about going to a party and having to endure poor mixing skills than how live an act/artist really is.

[TechMouse]

For me personally, I am more concerned about going to a party and having to endure poor mixing skills...

Just go to better parties.

Works for me.

[FuK-NuT]

not strictly true mate
the dj and his technique and his programming skills on the night
will set a track in perfect context ( hopefully! ) so the punters get the most from it
it isn't just a case of stick anything on and hope it's ok.
or a case of completely submitting to the track you are playing either
some tracks ONLY come to life when you get stuck in and dj/mix them properly
get them wrong and they suck

how does that work?

n thats the difference...

[djfilthmonger]

Djs do that all the time :)

If the crowd are getting off on it then the guy that wrote it is the shit.

well I really like djing and you definetly like wat ur doing. I dont really see the point in deciding which is better. at end of the day Im going to keep doing wat i do . I do like messing ard with producing tracks but its a secondary hobby for me right now

[aNaLpLeAsEr]

Nice one TechMouse.

Do you know what happened with tribe of munt?

[TechMouse]

Do you know what happened with tribe of munt?

Pass. Haven't seen or heard anything in a while.

[speed-it-up]

Nice one TechMouse.

Do you know what happened with tribe of munt?

not done a party for over a year

[The_Laughing_Man]

too many people being lazy and making dj tools that`s why
lack of ideas

[TechMouse]

Meh, DJ tools have their place. I use them often enough.

There's a time and a place for everything, if it's of a decent enough quality.

[The_Laughing_Man]

Meh, DJ tools have their place. I use them often enough.

There's a time and a place for everything, if it's of a decent enough quality.

the day for DJ tool swill end with vinyl

then those kind of people will just have to release loops, instead of 6 mins of the same thing

[SlavikSvensk]

the day for DJ tool swill end with vinyl

then those kind of people will just have to release loops, instead of 6 mins of the same thing

it's still just a loop then, isn't it? whether it comes in 4 bar or 200 bar form...

[clubsynthetic]

TBH if it doesn't matter if its shite DJing or a fake live set, they are both just as shit IMO.

But false advertising gets my goat and that happens with so called "live" sets. This doesn't happen as much with DJ, as the basics tend to be easy so folks can do it - but it IS what it is billed as.

and its 50/50 as to whether i could make a great live set or gain technique on the decks like Q-Bert with practice. BOTH CAN BE AS HARD OR AS EASY AS YOU WANT.

I would much rather watch a very good DJ than a mediocre live set.

[MITA]

well said

[The_Laughing_Man]

yes but a loop is a loop, not 6 mins of the same thing pretending to be a release