Finaly fake live acts are beeing exposed!

[The_Laughing_Man]

Meh, DJ tools have their place. I use them often enough.

There's a time and a place for everything, if it's of a decent enough quality.

the day for DJ tool swill end with vinyl

then those kind of people will just have to release loops, instead of 6 mins of the same thing

[clubsynthetic]

TBH if it doesn't matter if its shite DJing or a fake live set, they are both just as shit IMO.

But false advertising gets my goat and that happens with so called "live" sets. This doesn't happen as much with DJ, as the basics tend to be easy so folks can do it - but it IS what it is billed as.

and its 50/50 as to whether i could make a great live set or gain technique on the decks like Q-Bert with practice. BOTH CAN BE AS HARD OR AS EASY AS YOU WANT.

I would much rather watch a very good DJ than a mediocre live set.

[MITA]

well said

[SlavikSvensk]

the day for DJ tool swill end with vinyl

then those kind of people will just have to release loops, instead of 6 mins of the same thing

it's still just a loop then, isn't it? whether it comes in 4 bar or 200 bar form...

[The_Laughing_Man]

yes but a loop is a loop, not 6 mins of the same thing pretending to be a release

[SlavikSvensk]

true, true. was just being pedantic anyways :lol:

[The_Laughing_Man]

oooh you naughty little tinker!!

[SlavikSvensk]

someone's got to do it, and we can't just rely on techmouse all the time...

[DarkYoung]

someone's got to do it, and we can't just rely on techmouse all the time...

surreal

[TechMouse]

someone's got to do it, and we can't just rely on techmouse all the time...

It does wear me out, it has to be said.

[SlavikSvensk]

i'm here for you, buddy. i'll help carry the load...

[eppertheleper]

Okay, would someone please explain to me how an Ableton set is "live" or "dead". Is the difference that the dead set has placed all of the tracks in advance, whereas a live one is picking them on the fly?

That really seems mostly like splitting hairs to me when you're talking about Ableton, when all you'd really have to do to get from one to the other is, rather than actually laying down the tracks into a long set and hitting play, you lay them all down at home beforehand, then take notes on your setlist. Once you get there, drop them all in at the appropriate time and, voila!

1. Pat DSP at 000
2. Concrete DJz at 112
3. Industrialyzer at 180
4. The Advent at 224

and so on...

You're really only adding about four minutes of work between the "live" set and a "dead" one. I guess you could also record all the EQ changes, effects, and cross fading into a "dead" set as well, but why? Is it laziness? Lack of confidence? Is somebody else doing the work for you a la Milli Vanilli?

I don't know. It just seems to me that Ableton makes it SOOO easy already, why would anyone go the extra step of pre-programming the entire set beforehand? Sad.

[The_Laughing_Man]

I don`t know about making it easy, I have a much harder time playing my live pa than I did DJing 3 decks.

Running 8 channels of audio and then 4 vsti synths and drum machines.
Each channel with it`s own filters and in some cases effects to control, then there is the mapped controls to the vsti as well as control over the master channel effects, all this and trying to effectively transition between tunes in a similar way to a DJ makes pretty hard work.

I know DSP is very similar.

[DJPAUZE]

I don`t know about making it easy, I have a much harder time playing my live pa than I did DJing 3 decks.

That's because your an old fart Steve. jk.

I have seen a bit of video from your live and it looks quite complex I must say... Pretty damn close to a regular rig setup.

There are quite a few people doing the full track thing and quite a few playing loops with no controllers at all. I am not going to say it's easy, it really depends on what approach you want to take....

[force]

i'm here for you, buddy. i'll help swallow your load...

???

[clubsynthetic]

synthesis (drums and sounds) together with being able to respond to a crowd and take your music in any direction you feel like is live even if you have some of your synths automated. With what i would say is true live it can be changed on the fly at any given moment in your set. Being able to change the body of any sound, individual drums, effects, structure, rerouting signals to different sends, changing patches of vsts, drumming in live drums from pads, to completely control the dynamic of your track and set - rather than banging in some wavs and sticking some effects over them. Sure, it takes time to do.. sure, its gets complicated.. thats the beauty. Once you have a stucture for a live set with lots of tracks in it, you can take the same ableton self contained live set anywhere and bang out a completely different live set every time!

and watching someone do this can be VERY VERY entertaining.

Has anyone seen that video of exile showing off his skills? very very impressive (admittedly not with ableton but you get the picture)

ableton allows you to automate everything so you can picvk and choose what you want to control!

hands on is best!

[Patrick DSP]

I don`t know about making it easy, I have a much harder time playing my live pa than I did DJing 3 decks.

Running 8 channels of audio and then 4 vsti synths and drum machines.
Each channel with it`s own filters and in some cases effects to control, then there is the mapped controls to the vsti as well as control over the master channel effects, all this and trying to effectively transition between tunes in a similar way to a DJ makes pretty hard work.

I know DSP is very similar.

18-24 channels (depending on the track I'm playing) for my current setup. (yeah yeah, i know. dick measuring contest, etc etc). it can get a bit confusing at times but that's the fun of it. its pure control. there are lots of other artists that do it this way as well. it's a shame that the ones that just press play are the ones that have more time to wave their hands in the air and get the attention.

like i said earlier there isn't a right or wrong way to do live pa's but don't just press play on a fully programmed 2 hour set and fake playing the piano in front of everyone. that's just taking the piss.

synthesis (drums and sounds) together with being able to respond to a crowd and take your music in any direction you feel like is live even if you have some of your synths automated. With what i would say is true live it can be changed on the fly at any given moment in your set. Being able to change the body of any sound, individual drums, effects, structure, rerouting signals to different sends, changing patches of vsts, drumming in live drums from pads, to completely control the dynamic of your track and set - rather than banging in some wavs and sticking some effects over them. Sure, it takes time to do.. sure, its gets complicated.. thats the beauty. Once you have a stucture for a live set with lots of tracks in it, you can take the same ableton self contained live set anywhere and bang out a completely different live set every time!

and watching someone do this can be VERY VERY entertaining.

Has anyone seen that video of exile showing off his skills? very very impressive (admittedly not with ableton but you get the picture)

ableton allows you to automate everything so you can pick and choose what you want to control!

hands on is best!

WELL SAID!
-p.

[davethedrummer]

Okay, would someone please explain to me how an Ableton set is "live" or "dead". Is the difference that the dead set has placed all of the tracks in advance, whereas a live one is picking them on the fly?

That really seems mostly like splitting hairs to me when you're talking about Ableton, when all you'd really have to do to get from one to the other is, rather than actually laying down the tracks into a long set and hitting play, you lay them all down at home beforehand, then take notes on your setlist. Once you get there, drop them all in at the appropriate time and, voila!

1. Pat DSP at 000
2. Concrete DJz at 112
3. Industrialyzer at 180
4. The Advent at 224

and so on...

You're really only adding about four minutes of work between the "live" set and a "dead" one. I guess you could also record all the EQ changes, effects, and cross fading into a "dead" set as well, but why? Is it laziness? Lack of confidence? Is somebody else doing the work for you a la Milli Vanilli?

I don't know. It just seems to me that Ableton makes it SOOO easy already, why would anyone go the extra step of pre-programming the entire set beforehand? Sad.

except that there's no such thing as "easy"

[DannyBlack]

I tried Ableton. It took me 45 minutes to warp 1 bloody track. I gave up. Decks are easier.

[The Overfiend]

I mix my own original tracks and sequence new ones with fresh bits from compositions on the fly. deconstruct to reconstruct new is what i say