put some light on the term "offbeat"

[Ritzi Lee]

What do you think about when people are talking about offbeat techno?

I think the term is used to much nowadays. And the people don't even know what they are talking about. When you hear a track where the third or the 4th kick is shifted, or a tripple beat in 2 counts is added, is it offbeat??

You will always recognise a returning 4 times 4 beat pattern. Always mixable, like ordinary 4 times 4 straight beats. So is it really offbeat we're talking about?

Can someone clarify this?

[Ritzi Lee]

Oh yeah one more thing:
It seems like a hype today to talk about "offbeat". :?:

[Dustin Zahn]

Usually, at least on this forum when someone speaks of "offbeat" techno it deals with stuff like Olga & Josef, Rumengie, Lokitbrada, Wunsch and all that other stuff.

It seems as though this is the new popular stuff for people who like the darker, harder side of techno (some people get tired of compressed heroes techno I guess). I'm totally into it but the hype around it is pretty overrated. 95% of the records to come out from the majors of this stable are the same formula: 3 minute drum track, all drums, really repetitive, and some dark pad progression made in 5 minutes to be the main hook of the track (which doesn't really make it memorable at all). Not to say other styles don't use certain formulas (they all do) but lately all these new artists that are spoken of on the board are putting out the same rehashed stuff.

More on topic...its funny how they call it off beat techno because there actually is a beat. The name just comes from the kick drum being placed on notes that aren't on the "four to the floor" beat that techno has used as a standard.

[Agent Orange NYC]

The name we use here in new york is "Broken beat" it makes alot more sense than calling it off beat. I dig some of that stuff to throw in and break up the straight 4X4. Hardcell has got some kicks ass one's out on Skunkwoks, and I dig the Liebing one's on his album.

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

[tioneb]

to me offbeat is

1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0

1
0
0
1

etc. ;)

[tioneb]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

[audioinjection]

I call them broken beats

[aphex_hn]

I call them broken beats

me too

[jonnyspeed]

Tunes with bass beats that have a 4/4 time signature but do not trigger with rythmic timing. A bass in each 4th beat in a bar gives it that 1, 2 swing you need for dancing with 2 feet - there are variations that are dancable but generally only when there is something else like a bass line or something to funk to - the is the basis of breakbeat in D&B. Tunes with the kick bass -off the beat- are interesting for concept tunes but ****a to beat match.

[Buttman]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

[The Overfiend]

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You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

Actually it's new york city, and there's lil patience.

[Ritzi Lee]

Tunes with bass beats that have a 4/4 time signature but do not trigger with rythmic timing. A bass in each 4th beat in a bar gives it that 1, 2 swing you need for dancing with 2 feet - there are variations that are dancable but generally only when there is something else like a bass line or something to funk to - the is the basis of breakbeat in D&B. Tunes with the kick bass -off the beat- are interesting for concept tunes but **** to beat match.

so actually it is not offbeat,
because there's always a beat match.

[Numeric]

Most bloody hardcore tunes these days are just too broken and damn near impossible to beat mix...

Reminds me of Joshua's Under Repair Track on Epiteth from a few ago, classic hardcore techno, but you're not gonna do any beat mixin with it...

[Tony]

i am fully understanding buttys little diagram and that simple expression is a religion to me. i really like whole sets of broken beats, and find it just as simple as straight techno to mix. just thud thud thud thud got old for me a few years back. that was when i knew that the broken beat style could cope with a set of its own, but its also a pleasure to mix over straight techno. it pads out all the parts in between the thuds and brings the rhtyhm of the track to life.

but isnt all this down to regis and surgeon yet again!! all the people we have quoted where influenced by integrale and the birmingham sound.
brummies uber alles!!!
ha haaa!!

[TripleX]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

:lol:

[tioneb]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

u should stop playing in front of crowds with 95% people under extasy

[Ritzi Lee]

i am fully understanding buttys little diagram and that simple expression is a religion to me. i really like whole sets of broken beats, and find it just as simple as straight techno to mix. just thud thud thud thud got old for me a few years back. that was when i knew that the broken beat style could cope with a set of its own, but its also a pleasure to mix over straight techno. it pads out all the parts in between the thuds and brings the rhtyhm of the track to life.

but isnt all this down to regis and surgeon yet again!! all the people we have quoted where influenced by integrale and the birmingham sound.
brummies uber alles!!!
ha haaa!!

and what about bandulu / space djz.
check out all their early work.
and even in '92 / '93 jeff mills also produced some broken beat things.

anyway.
broken beat = techstyle breakbeat??

and doesn't all kinds of techno have its broken beat variants?
check out some stuff of oliver ho.

[jonnyspeed]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

u should stop playing in front of crowds with 95% people under extasy

Why :?:

[Buttman]

u should stop playing in front of crowds with 95% people under extasy

Atleast they are cute and randy!

http://grovskopa.com/visuals/Vibes%2...2003/39158.jpg

[Tony]