put some light on the term "offbeat"

[Buttman]

u should stop playing in front of crowds with 95% people under extasy

Atleast they are cute and randy!

http://grovskopa.com/visuals/Vibes%2...2003/39158.jpg

[Tony]

[gunjack]

ok "broken beat" IS A STYLE THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE NU JAZZ WORLD

off beat or DOUBLE BEAT as we called it back in spain is just that, 130 - 148 bpm techno that is 4x4 in signature but does not have the kick on the first beat of every bar of music for example the boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss is what they leyman calls 4x4 but actually double beat is 4x4 usually as well unless someone is really experimenting with other time signatures and making less "dj friendly" material... but anyway for the NYC heads, just so you know, you are calling "double beat" or "off beat" techno - "broken beat" but broken beat is a breakbeat/nu-jazz genre so maybe switch up the terminology...




by the way, double beat records have been really hard to sell since olga + yuzef saturated the market in 2004



some great off beat stuff coming out on ppruk64 and omerta 01 check them!



GJ

[BranLanen]

off beat or DOUBLE BEAT as we called it back in spain is just that...

Which part of Spain? In the north people always said "triple beat" but I think the right translation could be triple kick(?)

some great off beat stuff coming out on ppruk64 and omerta 01 check them!

You mean PRRUK 064?

[gunjack]

Which part of Spain? In the north people always said "triple beat" but I think the right translation could be triple kick(?)



You mean PRRUK 064?

no there is no triple bombo as you say, i worked for a long while in madrid, in a vinyl distributor thanks very much, and yea i made a typo. geez what a jerk huh?

anyway dirty bass thanks for the compliment, like i say planet rhythm 64 and omerta 001 are on promo now, they are fine examples i feel, of the double beat sound taken in the kinda direction you mention, more interaction than displacement for sure.

[The Overfiend]

ok "broken beat" IS A STYLE THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE NU JAZZ WORLD

off beat or DOUBLE BEAT as we called it back in spain is just that, 130 - 148 bpm techno that is 4x4 in signature but does not have the kick on the first beat of every bar of music for example the boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss is what they leyman calls 4x4 but actually double beat is 4x4 usually as well unless someone is really experimenting with other time signatures and making less "dj friendly" material... but anyway for the NYC heads, just so you know, you are calling "double beat" or "off beat" techno - "broken beat" but broken beat is a breakbeat/nu-jazz genre so maybe switch up the terminology...




by the way, double beat records have been really hard to sell since olga + yuzef saturated the market in 2004



some great off beat stuff coming out on ppruk64 and omerta 01 check them!



GJ

Broken Beat / Nu jazz as in Jeremy Ellis and other material on Ubiquity true.
But categorizing techno by its time signature is a shit move anyways.
It used to be called Birmingham sound to be truly technical about it.
For the record that "Unfinished Business" track is ass. I'm not even saying it cause I don't like the kid, but it is not a breakthrough technique to take a vocal run it through glitch and do a broken time signature around it.......through the whooole damn song. Nothing groundbreaking at all. In your defense Brian I say you know what you're doing when it comes to that kind of track, but ya mans an them..................

[gunjack]

Broken Beat / Nu jazz as in Jeremy Ellis and other material on Ubiquity true.
But categorizing techno by its time signature is a shit move anyways.
It used to be called Birmingham sound to be truly technical about it.
For the record that "Unfinished Business" track is ass. I'm not even saying it cause I don't like the kid, but it is not a breakthrough technique to take a vocal run it through glitch and do a broken time signature around it.......through the whooole damn song. Nothing groundbreaking at all. In your defense Brian I say you know what you're doing when it comes to that kind of track, but ya mans an them..................

um no that beat is nothing like the birmingham sound, and ok you don't like the vocal? but the kick and clap patterns etc are ABSOLUTELY INOVATIVE and are a new twist on the double beat sound making tracks like that mixable with half time hip hop etc... and if you want to get "technical" about it LUKE SLATER came up with that sound on the early planetary assault sytems records, but matt takes it further.... your comments on the vocal are fair enough, but the rest of the bullshit you are talking is PURE HATING on your part.

[clubsynthetic]

I always though offbeat meant in a 4/4 time signature, the off beat is the beat in between the bass kick beats. one would double beat two records on the off beat no?

[Tony]

i am fully understanding buttys little diagram and that simple expression is a religion to me. i really like whole sets of broken beats, and find it just as simple as straight techno to mix. just thud thud thud thud got old for me a few years back. that was when i knew that the broken beat style could cope with a set of its own, but its also a pleasure to mix over straight techno. it pads out all the parts in between the thuds and brings the rhtyhm of the track to life.

but isnt all this down to regis and surgeon yet again!! all the people we have quoted where influenced by integrale and the birmingham sound.
brummies uber alles!!!
ha haaa!!

and what about bandulu / space djz.
check out all their early work.
and even in '92 / '93 jeff mills also produced some broken beat things.

anyway.
broken beat = techstyle breakbeat??

and doesn't all kinds of techno have its broken beat variants?
check out some stuff of oliver ho.

i know, i fully agree there are loads of other examples of stuff like that. but i do think r&s stuck to that quite a bit, almost made it their own, then eastern europe took it and went WAHEY!!! crazy shit!!
i really like the scandinavian broken beats too sometimes. bacto and makind and stuff, lovely!!

also: just to further the the pigeon hole dilemma. i often think of broken beat as stuff like tobias schmidt and danial benavente. stuff thats a bit too techno to be wonky (bloody hell splitting hairs or what!!!)

[BloodStar]

Lot of people is sometimes doing trax with broken beats, but not so much of them have all production based on this style. The Slovakian is almost same on all EP's,. boring....
I'm more into 4/4 based "classic" instead of this zero invention copy of Regis&Surgeon style.

[Numeric]

Give me the 4/4 everytime...

When i've been at a few house nights recently, jocks have taken to playin breaks and s**t...

I'm like 'for f**ks sake, bring back the 4/4s quick'...

I love drum n bass but this breaks s**t isn't for me...

[TripleX]

i :love: it

[professor]

I fancy broken beats. Guess it's all in how you mix. If you gonna play broken beats, you gotta mix em' like your playing breaks...flip...smack...doubles...fader...fader... wham new record.

da...dada.da.....da...dada.da.....da...dada.da.... .

kuwlness budddddieee! radical dude. surfs-up bro.

of course...some of the best four-four i've heard is minimal and so well done rythmically that the synths or drums throw your whole sense of where the beat is off (insert emoticon here)

[Buttman]

[jonnyspeed]

u should stop playing in front of crowds with 95% people under extasy

Atleast they are cute and randy!

http://grovskopa.com/visuals/Vibes%2...2003/39158.jpg

And I was just about to stay in this weekend. Thank you!

[ampassasinbirmingham]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

you also need to stop playing hard house and trance clubs;)

[davethedrummer]

you also need to stop playing hard house and trance clubs;)

you need to stop playing

[jonnyspeed]

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

Number 1 rule about Djing in public - divn't piss the runters off or is that don't talk about fight club. Don't fight in clubs... oh I don't know.

Divn't listen to me

[tioneb]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

you also need to stop playing hard house and trance clubs;)

yeah i guess now im gonna refuse all booking which are not in span, land of the cocaïne and speed freaks or in eastern countried where the kids start taking xtc in parties at 15/16. that will allow me getting some freaky girls without paying for them.

[Jay Pace]

span, land of the cocaïne and speed freaks

I can just picture the tourism ads now....