put some light on the term "offbeat"

[gunjack]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

But it`s all dead in the water now innit

well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...

[dirty_bass]

well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

[Little_Fella!]

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

I remember struggling with the broken beat and double kick side of things and then it clicking in to place and me actually prefering the change and the extra scope for rhythm changes that it gives you as a producer... lovely!!!

[Little_Fella!]

Oh.. and as a listener I really need that 'Oscar Mulero' hit when I'm out n about, or I start to get bored after a while of just 4x4 hammering...

[RDR]

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

The good side of the hip-hop mentality that is...

not the ho's and bling, fun while it lasted, but not my cuppa these days..

as for broken techno.. bleep techno.. wonky techno.

by its very nature it seeks not to conform. hence the confusion. besides if its good music who gives a crap.