put some light on the term "offbeat"

[Jay Pace]

True

To be honest, I'm not sure how much room there is to be "ground breaking" in time signature.

5 beats in a bar? Wowee, madness!
Six beats? 9 beats? Twelfty ten? Zoinks!

The rhythmically defined sub genres can be a bit faddy. They get stale if all they've got going for on is a slightly different beat pattern.

[dirty_bass]

I've done plenty of theory and never seen it.

Theory was ****ing tedious stuff to pile through though. Maybe the exact terms differ across the seas....

Your right, music theory can be woeful.

[The Overfiend]

True

To be honest, I'm not sure how much room there is to be "ground breaking" in time signature.

5 beats in a bar? Wowee, madness!
Six beats? 9 beats? Twelfty ten? Zoinks!

The rhythmically defined sub genres can be a bit faddy. They get stale if all they've got going for on is a slightly different beat pattern.

hit the nail on the head

[gunjack]

Yeah take music theory and you'll know what I am talking about.

ok now you are taking the piss dude. it's all 4/4 time signatures even broken beat stuff, dumbass.

a preview of one of my trakcs from the planet rhythm single (64) can be heard at the end of this radio show: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/2008/0...nuary-11-2008/


it's called ghosts of cite soleil (like the film catch it on the web or dvd) and is kinda pitched down there....


digital version of omerta 001? hmmm lemme look into that, but omerta released a digital exclusive called "on my block" a while back look for it on beatport!




gj

[gunjack]

oh yea and "unfinished business" is inovative because there aren't any tracks like that in the market AT ALL. name one tony since you are so smart?

the shit is original. even if you are hating on the sample. period. i will not indulge you any further on the matter.

and you are a jerk for talking down to me a bout "usic theory" i have more musicianship in one pubic hair than you have en your entire blubbery fat ass.

[gunjack]

p.s. tony any forum moderated by you who know no moderation is wack. wait til matt's forum goes live and you will see what the f4ck you should have been doing with your free time. damn you are a jackass sometimes. you really lost any credibility you had with me, with your little "music theory" joke. i could make more tracks on a nose flute from guam and a stick than you with all your stupid plugins from pat DSP.

[The Overfiend]

I do not care to have any credibility with you Brian.
You saying that and your insults thrown on top are irrelevant.
I told you his track is not ground breaking and I am still entitled to my opinion.
I stick to that opinion, to be honest.
I think all of the insulting you are doing is pretty childish, and to be honest with you, it's becoming of you, and your reputation, which preceeds you.
As far as your future projects with Matt K, enjoy!
I hope you do very well in fact, lord knows you need something to go right for you.
As far as what I do with my free time, I've been working my 40 hour a week job, remember what that feels like?
As well as finishing out my bachelors degree.
This "hustle" called music is your life, and that's fine, but just remember this, when you needed help.
I helped you, on the strength.
When you were in a bad situation in Cali, I helped you with an alternate and put my friendship on the line with a certain Canadian label head, which you threw salt in that situation as well.
Even mentioning Dsp is uncalled for since he is not here to speak his piece.
As I recall you who used his samples without his permission to make a certain Submissions Ep.
Then when ya hung yourself out in that situation I introduced you to Matt K, who, when the situation was bad for you once again, I asked someone I knew to help you out, which he did.
In the end it benefitted him ultimately, because he is just snuggled up lovely in your laurels and reaping the benefits of your business arrangements.
So, you can insult me all you want, brag about your musical endeavors, and even make fun of me, that's all fine, but anyone who knows you.
Knows how in the end Gunjack is only out for Gunjack.

[eyeswithoutaface]

you guy's need to give this guy a ring

soon

[ampassasinbirmingham]

To be fair, The overfind isn't the first person for Gunjack to piss off. He sprouts his mouth off without even batting an eyelid to what the other person may be feeling or the consequences of his actions. Look at the overfinds comments and look how immature, childish and dare i say it "GHETTO" Gunjacks comments are.

and this is just goldust

"i could make more tracks on a nose flute from guam and a stick than you with all your stupid plugins from pat DSP."

And to call your own music innovative is ridiculously big headed and egocentric. Let others be the judge of that.

i think Gunjack might be a narcissist!!!!!

Maybe Gunjack is gonna put a cap in my ass now!!???

[MARK ANXIOUS]

is this all really serving any purpose????

i mean... really???

come on, let's get back on track here guys, this is quite a good little topic imho...

[The Overfiend]

I think it is a great topic.
I believe a lot of interesting discussion has come from it.
I do not however think it is the place to plug my own or a mates release
As the best example of the genre to ever come along since the first time
Surgeon played La Real
:)

[robin m]

Blimey. This thread took a nosedive since I last looked at it...

Everyone listens to music through their own ears at the end of the day. What's 'ground breaking' is a personal thing. If someone doesn't think a track of yours falls into that category it's for them to understand why and for you to accept that it's their opinion. Attacking someone for a comment you perceive as negative puts me off even listening to the tune, personally.

If you release music it's fair game for people's opinions, whether positive or negative... not everyone's going to see what you see in it, that's just life. 50% of my mates wouldn't see any techno record I own as groundbreaking, cause they listen for something completely different to me in music - I reckon they're missing out and they reckon I'm missing the point of the electro-folk ot whatever they're into - that's why music's great, it's a personal thing.

This topic was an interesting one before it got derailed.

[robin m]

...having said all that I have just listened to the EP samples and I definitely dig it - good work man:)

[MITA]

we are all a single organism,and organism in war with it;s self is doomed!!!!!!

WANKERS

[dirty_bass]

Conflict breeds innovation.

there have never been more greater advances in science and technology than during times of war.

[SlavikSvensk]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

you're right! but you may not realize just how right you are...

...this thread is actually from 2004...

seriously...look at page 1!

2004 was groundbreaking though, in more ways than one

...and the turn this conversation has taken reminds me of 2005, at least... :;

[MITA]

Conflict breeds innovation.

there have never been more greater advances in science and technology than during times of war.

if we are fighting with guns and bombs then yea
but words and music? dont think so~

[dirty_bass]

if we are fighting with guns and bombs then yea
but words and music? dont think so~

tooth and claw
tooth and claw

[MITA]

tigerstyle,eh?

[RDR]

Conflict breeds innovation.

And with quite a few other things as well, the perv.