put some light on the term "offbeat"

[dirty_bass]

I've done plenty of theory and never seen it.

Theory was ****ing tedious stuff to pile through though. Maybe the exact terms differ across the seas....

Your right, music theory can be woeful.

[The Overfiend]

I was addresing the time signature and called it broken to use as a reference point for discussion but the lot of you understood my exact point.

[Jay Pace]

True

To be honest, I'm not sure how much room there is to be "ground breaking" in time signature.

5 beats in a bar? Wowee, madness!
Six beats? 9 beats? Twelfty ten? Zoinks!

The rhythmically defined sub genres can be a bit faddy. They get stale if all they've got going for on is a slightly different beat pattern.

[The Overfiend]

True

To be honest, I'm not sure how much room there is to be "ground breaking" in time signature.

5 beats in a bar? Wowee, madness!
Six beats? 9 beats? Twelfty ten? Zoinks!

The rhythmically defined sub genres can be a bit faddy. They get stale if all they've got going for on is a slightly different beat pattern.

hit the nail on the head

[gunjack]

oh yea and "unfinished business" is inovative because there aren't any tracks like that in the market AT ALL. name one tony since you are so smart?

the shit is original. even if you are hating on the sample. period. i will not indulge you any further on the matter.

and you are a jerk for talking down to me a bout "usic theory" i have more musicianship in one pubic hair than you have en your entire blubbery fat ass.

[gunjack]

p.s. tony any forum moderated by you who know no moderation is wack. wait til matt's forum goes live and you will see what the f4ck you should have been doing with your free time. damn you are a jackass sometimes. you really lost any credibility you had with me, with your little "music theory" joke. i could make more tracks on a nose flute from guam and a stick than you with all your stupid plugins from pat DSP.

[The Overfiend]

I do not care to have any credibility with you Brian.
You saying that and your insults thrown on top are irrelevant.
I told you his track is not ground breaking and I am still entitled to my opinion.
I stick to that opinion, to be honest.
I think all of the insulting you are doing is pretty childish, and to be honest with you, it's becoming of you, and your reputation, which preceeds you.
As far as your future projects with Matt K, enjoy!
I hope you do very well in fact, lord knows you need something to go right for you.
As far as what I do with my free time, I've been working my 40 hour a week job, remember what that feels like?
As well as finishing out my bachelors degree.
This "hustle" called music is your life, and that's fine, but just remember this, when you needed help.
I helped you, on the strength.
When you were in a bad situation in Cali, I helped you with an alternate and put my friendship on the line with a certain Canadian label head, which you threw salt in that situation as well.
Even mentioning Dsp is uncalled for since he is not here to speak his piece.
As I recall you who used his samples without his permission to make a certain Submissions Ep.
Then when ya hung yourself out in that situation I introduced you to Matt K, who, when the situation was bad for you once again, I asked someone I knew to help you out, which he did.
In the end it benefitted him ultimately, because he is just snuggled up lovely in your laurels and reaping the benefits of your business arrangements.
So, you can insult me all you want, brag about your musical endeavors, and even make fun of me, that's all fine, but anyone who knows you.
Knows how in the end Gunjack is only out for Gunjack.

[gunjack]

hey sam if you weren't acting the fool trying to condescend to me with your little "music theory" comment i would not have had to get nasty with you. but at the end of the day you will still be some hater on the internet and i will be releasing music in the real world.


ampass i said matt's track was inovative, not my own, learn to read instead of sskimming.


MARK, YOUR "MODERATOR" IS TAKING THE PISS WITH JABS LIKE "TAKE A MUSIC THEORY CLASS" OR WHATEVER.... IS THIS REALLY CALLED FOR?


tony lugo talks and talks like he is "in the know" but he is just som,e other outsider trying to play "know it all"


tony if you spent half as much time on your music than you did looking for ways to pop off at people you might not sound like such a generic loop monger.

the truth hurts i bet but it's true. how many years have you been on this forum talking shit? what have you accomplished?


you need to learn how to WRITE MUSIC not just slap a bunch of prefab loops together into some chaotic "hard techno" demo trax like you do.



GROW THE F4CK UP TONY. STOP HATING ON MATT AND I AND GO MAKE SOMETHING ON YOUR OWN.



TYPICAL JEALOUS HATER TEARING PEOPLE DOWN INSTEAD OF ANSWERING WITH HIS MUSIC.

PRODUCE SOMETHING GENUINE AND THEN MAYBE PEOPLE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.


OH YEA TONY, YOU DIDN'T INTRODUCE ME TO MATT K, YOU PASSED HIM MY EMAIL, STOP TRYING TO PLAY THE GODFATHER AND TAKE YOUR PLACE IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HATERS.




SERIOUSLY, PATHETIC, MATT AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU MAN AND IF PASSING MY EMAIL TO MATT K IS YOUR CLAIM TO FAME THEN YOU ARE A SAD, PETTY DUDE.

[gunjack]

in the end Gunjack is only out for Gunjack.

OH THEN YOU ARE ALL NOBLE AND OUT TO CURE CANCER OR WHAT?
WHAT THE F4CK ARE you IN THIS FOR THEN? INNOVATION? YOU AIN'T INNOVATED A DAMNED THING SINCE YOUR LAST BOWEL MOVEMENT.

I AM OUT FOR MAKING MUSIC AND PUTTING RECORDS OUT, TAKING MY IDEAS AS FAR AS I CAN SO YEA, I AM OUT FOR GUNJACK! GODDAMNED RIGHT! IF I DON'T LOOK OUT FOR ME WHO WILL? YOU?

YOU TONY LUGO, FANK PAUZE AND PAT DSP ARE SOME OF THE FAKEST, PETTIEST AND CORNIEST M4THER4CKERS OUT THERE.

FRANK PAUZE CARES MORE ABOUT FOLLOWING HIS DICK AROUND THAN MAKING MUSIC OR RUNNING HARDSIGNAL, PAT DSP DOESN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO STAND UP FOR HIMSELF TO YOU OR FRANK AND YOU ARE JUST A JEALOUS HANGER ON, SOME FOOL WHO TALKS A BIG GAME ABOUT "WHATEVER YOU NEED I AM THERE FOR YOU" BUT NEVER ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTES MORE THAN COMPLAINTS.
MAN F4CK YOU AND YOUR LITTLE BLACKOUT TECHNO FANTASY CAMP:




PUT UP OR SHUT UP, WORDS NOW MEAN SHIT FROM YOU, SHOW US YOUR ALL KNOWING TECHNO TECHNIQUE... SHEEEIIIIT FOOL YOU AIN'T GOT CHOPS, IF YOU DID YOU WOULD BE PUTTING OUT SHIT TO BACK UP ALL THIS EMPTY TALK YOU USE TO FILL YOUR FREE TIME.


FOOL CONSIDER GUNJACK OFFICIALLY OUT OF THE BLACKOUT BUILDING. ANY FORUM MODERATED BY TONY LUGO IS A JOKE.


HOW YOU GONNA COME AT SOMEONE WITH MORE THAN A HUNDRED COMMERCIAL MUSIC RELEASES AND GET SARCASTIC ABOUT "MUSIC THEORY" WHEN YOUR ASS AIN'T DONE AN ORIGINAL TRACK...... EVER?!



DELETE MY ACCOUNT, EVERY TIME I TALK ON THIS FORUM IT'S LIKE FEEDING SIRLOIN TO A PIG LIKE YOU.



FAO MARK EG, YOUR MODERATOR NEEDS SOME MODERATION, IF YOU READ THE THREAD YOU WILL SEE IT WAS RUINED BY TONY'S PERSONAL BEEF WITH MATT AND I.

SHOULDN'T THE MODERATOR AT LEAST PRETEND TO BE OBJECTIVE? OR MAYBE JUST STICK TO TALKING ABOUT MUSIC AND NOT TAKE CHEAP SHOTS????

I URGE ANYBODY WHO IS SICK OF ROMPER ROOM MODERATORS AND ENDLESS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT "SCHRANZ VS MNML" ETC TO SIGN UP OVER AT

http://hardtekno.net/

TENS OF THOUSANDS SIGNED UP ALREADY AND COUNTING.


RESPECT TO ALL THE GENUINE AND NICE PEOPLE I HAVE MET HERE ON BLACKOUT
AND A BIG F4CK YOU TO ALL THE CORNY HATERS WHO GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO BUT RIDE COAT TAILS.

[SlavikSvensk]

DELETE MY ACCOUNT, EVERY TIME I TALK ON THIS FORUM IT'S LIKE FEEDING SIRLOIN TO A PIG LIKE YOU.

no one is forcing you to come on here, man and just because one person doesn't like something you did or something you post doesn't he's "drinking haterade." but it doesn't mean he's right either. he just doesn't agree with you. and since we're talking about "innovation," a subjective concept, that's just another opinion among many. tbh i'm a bit surprised that someone who's put a lot of stuff out seems to have such a problem with criticism.

you and tony obviously have some history and some sh*t to work out, but this is really kind of silly place and way to do that.

[eyeswithoutaface]

you guy's need to give this guy a ring

soon

[ampassasinbirmingham]

To be fair, The overfind isn't the first person for Gunjack to piss off. He sprouts his mouth off without even batting an eyelid to what the other person may be feeling or the consequences of his actions. Look at the overfinds comments and look how immature, childish and dare i say it "GHETTO" Gunjacks comments are.

and this is just goldust

"i could make more tracks on a nose flute from guam and a stick than you with all your stupid plugins from pat DSP."

And to call your own music innovative is ridiculously big headed and egocentric. Let others be the judge of that.

i think Gunjack might be a narcissist!!!!!

Maybe Gunjack is gonna put a cap in my ass now!!???

[MARK ANXIOUS]

is this all really serving any purpose????

i mean... really???

come on, let's get back on track here guys, this is quite a good little topic imho...

[The Overfiend]

I think it is a great topic.
I believe a lot of interesting discussion has come from it.
I do not however think it is the place to plug my own or a mates release
As the best example of the genre to ever come along since the first time
Surgeon played La Real
:)

[robin m]

Blimey. This thread took a nosedive since I last looked at it...

Everyone listens to music through their own ears at the end of the day. What's 'ground breaking' is a personal thing. If someone doesn't think a track of yours falls into that category it's for them to understand why and for you to accept that it's their opinion. Attacking someone for a comment you perceive as negative puts me off even listening to the tune, personally.

If you release music it's fair game for people's opinions, whether positive or negative... not everyone's going to see what you see in it, that's just life. 50% of my mates wouldn't see any techno record I own as groundbreaking, cause they listen for something completely different to me in music - I reckon they're missing out and they reckon I'm missing the point of the electro-folk ot whatever they're into - that's why music's great, it's a personal thing.

This topic was an interesting one before it got derailed.

[robin m]

...having said all that I have just listened to the EP samples and I definitely dig it - good work man:)

[MITA]

we are all a single organism,and organism in war with it;s self is doomed!!!!!!

WANKERS

[dirty_bass]

Conflict breeds innovation.

there have never been more greater advances in science and technology than during times of war.

[MITA]

Conflict breeds innovation.

there have never been more greater advances in science and technology than during times of war.

if we are fighting with guns and bombs then yea
but words and music? dont think so~

[dirty_bass]

if we are fighting with guns and bombs then yea
but words and music? dont think so~

tooth and claw
tooth and claw