well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...