put some light on the term "offbeat"

[Tony]

i am fully understanding buttys little diagram and that simple expression is a religion to me. i really like whole sets of broken beats, and find it just as simple as straight techno to mix. just thud thud thud thud got old for me a few years back. that was when i knew that the broken beat style could cope with a set of its own, but its also a pleasure to mix over straight techno. it pads out all the parts in between the thuds and brings the rhtyhm of the track to life.

but isnt all this down to regis and surgeon yet again!! all the people we have quoted where influenced by integrale and the birmingham sound.
brummies uber alles!!!
ha haaa!!

and what about bandulu / space djz.
check out all their early work.
and even in '92 / '93 jeff mills also produced some broken beat things.

anyway.
broken beat = techstyle breakbeat??

and doesn't all kinds of techno have its broken beat variants?
check out some stuff of oliver ho.

i know, i fully agree there are loads of other examples of stuff like that. but i do think r&s stuck to that quite a bit, almost made it their own, then eastern europe took it and went WAHEY!!! crazy shit!!
i really like the scandinavian broken beats too sometimes. bacto and makind and stuff, lovely!!

also: just to further the the pigeon hole dilemma. i often think of broken beat as stuff like tobias schmidt and danial benavente. stuff thats a bit too techno to be wonky (bloody hell splitting hairs or what!!!)

[BloodStar]

Lot of people is sometimes doing trax with broken beats, but not so much of them have all production based on this style. The Slovakian is almost same on all EP's,. boring....
I'm more into 4/4 based "classic" instead of this zero invention copy of Regis&Surgeon style.

[Numeric]

Give me the 4/4 everytime...

When i've been at a few house nights recently, jocks have taken to playin breaks and s**t...

I'm like 'for f**ks sake, bring back the 4/4s quick'...

I love drum n bass but this breaks s**t isn't for me...

[TripleX]

i :love: it

[professor]

I fancy broken beats. Guess it's all in how you mix. If you gonna play broken beats, you gotta mix em' like your playing breaks...flip...smack...doubles...fader...fader... wham new record.

da...dada.da.....da...dada.da.....da...dada.da.... .

kuwlness budddddieee! radical dude. surfs-up bro.

of course...some of the best four-four i've heard is minimal and so well done rythmically that the synths or drums throw your whole sense of where the beat is off (insert emoticon here)

[Buttman]

[jonnyspeed]

u should stop playing in front of crowds with 95% people under extasy

Atleast they are cute and randy!

http://grovskopa.com/visuals/Vibes%2...2003/39158.jpg

And I was just about to stay in this weekend. Thank you!

[ampassasinbirmingham]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

you also need to stop playing hard house and trance clubs;)

[jonnyspeed]

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

Number 1 rule about Djing in public - divn't piss the runters off or is that don't talk about fight club. Don't fight in clubs... oh I don't know.

Divn't listen to me

[tioneb]

Around here, more than 2 or 3 of those records in a row and you will be the only one left in the club!

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

You need to stop playing at carnivals and salsa schools.

you also need to stop playing hard house and trance clubs;)

yeah i guess now im gonna refuse all booking which are not in span, land of the cocaïne and speed freaks or in eastern countried where the kids start taking xtc in parties at 15/16. that will allow me getting some freaky girls without paying for them.

[Buttman]

yeah i guess now im gonna refuse all booking which are not in span, land of the cocaïne and speed freaks or in eastern countried where the kids start taking xtc in parties at 15/16. that will allow me getting some freaky girls without paying for them.

LOL you need to loosen up buddyboy :lol:

[Sunil]

or in eastern countried where the kids start taking xtc in parties at 15/16.

It's not only Eastern Europe, every country starts doing them at 15 and 16, that's what your teens are all about!!

[Tony]

it wasnt my teens, but there is a heck of a lot of it about.

[Kokotorobot]

hahah once (i dont tell where) i played one rumenige and 80% of the people who were dancing left the floor ... was hard to make them go again dancing, but when they were back, i waited for 30 minutes then i played one wunsch and they left again LOL

man i'd be likely not to bother going on the floor if you DIDN'T play those beats...got me into techno

i don't get that batty carnival shit in the west, sorry

[BRADLEE]

I think it's different for all. Broken beat, 4X4, whatever the hell moves the floor. Anything can be a serious banger if it's done right. Personally I like a bit of both, whatever feels right in the moment.

[Jay Pace]

span, land of the cocaïne and speed freaks

I can just picture the tourism ads now....

[Adey]

welcome to proper techno

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/wonky_techno

Wonky techno is a style of techno music that is based around breaking from a formulaic 4-4 beat structure and experimenting with new sounds and rhythms. The sound is often distorted, stuttering, broken and warped, with a lot of influence from breakbeat, glitch and electro. At one end of the scale wonky techno can be very funky music well-suited to the dancefloor; at the other end it can be very experimental and abstract.

The origins of the term 'wonky techno' are under some dispute, with no exact first usage established. Most commonly, the term is thought to originate from Jerome Hill, who collected tunes of this type in a section marked 'Wonky', whilst managing a (now closed) record shop in London called Trackheads (previously Dragondisks). 'Wonky' is generally thought to refer to the non-repetitive structure of the music. Other record shops use terms such as 'experimental' or 'quirky'. The sound is also referred to as 'no skool' due to its attempt not to be defined by a uniform beat, common style of break or specific set of sounds.

The scene is fairly small but growing, especially in London, Brighton, Glasgow and Berlin. Nights such as Coin Operated, Uglyfunk, Iridium and Monox in the UK attract a friendly crowd and are well attended.

Producers of the wonky sound are artists such as Cristian Vogel, Si Begg, DJ Sueme, Neil Landstrumm, T.Raumschmiere, Tobias Schmidt, 3D!t, Dave Tarrida, Jason Leach, Cannibal Cooking Club, Crystal Distortion (formally of Spiral Tribe), Surfin'bernard (formally of Gaye Bykers on Acid), Michael Forshaw, Mascon, Fugo, Bass Invaders, Bill Youngman, Rotorik

Wonky techno labels include Neue Heimat, Sativae, Input-Output, Miditonal, Chan'n'Mikes, Subhead, Don't, Scandinavia, Sub:Strata, Uglyfunk, Shitkatapult, Mental.Ind, Mercurochrome, Feinwerk and Novamute.

Wonky /wong'kee/ adj. To not be the same in size; skew-whiff; to be offset; broken; to be weird; to be strange or goofey; to be warped from its original shape; behaviour seemingly crazy, humorous or amusingly perverse.

[koma]

the topic isnt about wonky.

[rhythmtech]

welcome to proper techno

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/wonky_techno

Wonky techno is a style of techno music that is based around breaking from a formulaic 4-4 beat structure and experimenting with new sounds and rhythms. The sound is often distorted, stuttering, broken and warped, with a lot of influence from breakbeat, glitch and electro. At one end of the scale wonky techno can be very funky music well-suited to the dancefloor; at the other end it can be very experimental and abstract.

The origins of the term 'wonky techno' are under some dispute, with no exact first usage established. Most commonly, the term is thought to originate from Jerome Hill, who collected tunes of this type in a section marked 'Wonky', whilst managing a (now closed) record shop in London called Trackheads (previously Dragondisks). 'Wonky' is generally thought to refer to the non-repetitive structure of the music. Other record shops use terms such as 'experimental' or 'quirky'. The sound is also referred to as 'no skool' due to its attempt not to be defined by a uniform beat, common style of break or specific set of sounds.

The scene is fairly small but growing, especially in London, Brighton, Glasgow and Berlin. Nights such as Coin Operated, Uglyfunk, Iridium and Monox in the UK attract a friendly crowd and are well attended.

Producers of the wonky sound are artists such as Cristian Vogel, Si Begg, DJ Sueme, Neil Landstrumm, T.Raumschmiere, Tobias Schmidt, 3D!t, Dave Tarrida, Jason Leach, Cannibal Cooking Club, Crystal Distortion (formally of Spiral Tribe), Surfin'bernard (formally of Gaye Bykers on Acid), Michael Forshaw, Mascon, Fugo, Bass Invaders, Bill Youngman, Rotorik

Wonky techno labels include Neue Heimat, Sativae, Input-Output, Miditonal, Chan'n'Mikes, Subhead, Don't, Scandinavia, Sub:Strata, Uglyfunk, Shitkatapult, Mental.Ind, Mercurochrome, Feinwerk and Novamute.

Wonky /wong'kee/ adj. To not be the same in size; skew-whiff; to be offset; broken; to be weird; to be strange or goofey; to be warped from its original shape; behaviour seemingly crazy, humorous or amusingly perverse.

bollox..

its just techno like every other style.. ive heard wonky sets that were nearly 90% 4/4..

offbeat is just what it says.. whatever the time sig is, be it 4/4 4/3 or up in the 6's, then anything that deviates from the underlying main rhythmic instrument pattern (ie the kick 99% of the time) is "off the beat"

for example a closed hat played on the eights has an off beat element.

but i do hear the term getting used to describe a style of techno a lot.. like brad lee's stuff (afaik)

just like anything with a 303 gets described as acid..

just another term for us to pigeon hole our music. blah blah blah

[dirty_bass]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

But it`s all dead in the water now innit

It was always the neglected bastard baby of techno anyway.

I remember a few years ago people moaning at me about "ooh, but you can`t beat 4 to the floor", now those same people are banging out the off beat techno like they just discovered it.

Hardly a fresh sound.

When will we be able to just mix it all up again, rather than having to commit to one specific sub sub genre of a sub genre.

Techno is techno, it`s supposed to be a free creative music the defies definition.

It`s just
Techno

I love it, but it had it`s time, you can only punt out off kilter kick rythms and ambient sounds for a while before people want music again.