put some light on the term "offbeat"

[davethedrummer]

I call them broken beats

me too


now... "off beat" is something else entirely
more like very "up" techno but "down" too if you get my drift
like , blended with dub house , ska , waltz , and chamber music
but conforming to the principles laid out in the restaurant at the end of the universe.

not everyones cup of tea i hasten to add.

also there's something to do with the intro titles for "the bill" tv series
where the footsteps of the plodding coppers fall slightly off beat.

5/4 i think it is

something like that

[davethedrummer]

you also need to stop playing hard house and trance clubs;)

you need to stop playing

[gunjack]

ok "broken beat" IS A STYLE THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE NU JAZZ WORLD

off beat or DOUBLE BEAT as we called it back in spain is just that, 130 - 148 bpm techno that is 4x4 in signature but does not have the kick on the first beat of every bar of music for example the boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss is what they leyman calls 4x4 but actually double beat is 4x4 usually as well unless someone is really experimenting with other time signatures and making less "dj friendly" material... but anyway for the NYC heads, just so you know, you are calling "double beat" or "off beat" techno - "broken beat" but broken beat is a breakbeat/nu-jazz genre so maybe switch up the terminology...




by the way, double beat records have been really hard to sell since olga + yuzef saturated the market in 2004



some great off beat stuff coming out on ppruk64 and omerta 01 check them!



GJ

[Adey]

the topic isnt about wonky.

don't be gay. yes it is.

[gunjack]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

But it`s all dead in the water now innit

well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...

[gunjack]

yes it is

call it what you want but broken, off-beat and all that is Wonky ****ing Techno. simple as. If its the repetitive shite that you simply jigsaw togetehr back to back its called straight techno... everything else. I mean everything else would come under Wonky ****ing techno = proper techno.

um no mate, we are talking about artists like: gunjack, surgeon, olga+yuzef, c. wunsch, takaaki, dave sumner etc etc etc


you are talking about:

niel landstrum, vogel, subhead etc etc



get yo shit straight before presuming to correct people. i suggest the "lurk n learn" approach...

[gunjack]

don't be gay. yes it is.

nice edit dude.

[koma]

don't be gay. yes it is.

if theres anything gay in techno, its techno substyles consisting of 5 artists that are recycling each other, but calling themselves proper. :xsmile:

[BranLanen]

off beat or DOUBLE BEAT as we called it back in spain is just that...

Which part of Spain? In the north people always said "triple beat" but I think the right translation could be triple kick(?)

some great off beat stuff coming out on ppruk64 and omerta 01 check them!

You mean PRRUK 064?

[The Overfiend]

ok "broken beat" IS A STYLE THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE NU JAZZ WORLD

off beat or DOUBLE BEAT as we called it back in spain is just that, 130 - 148 bpm techno that is 4x4 in signature but does not have the kick on the first beat of every bar of music for example the boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss boom hiss is what they leyman calls 4x4 but actually double beat is 4x4 usually as well unless someone is really experimenting with other time signatures and making less "dj friendly" material... but anyway for the NYC heads, just so you know, you are calling "double beat" or "off beat" techno - "broken beat" but broken beat is a breakbeat/nu-jazz genre so maybe switch up the terminology...




by the way, double beat records have been really hard to sell since olga + yuzef saturated the market in 2004



some great off beat stuff coming out on ppruk64 and omerta 01 check them!



GJ

Broken Beat / Nu jazz as in Jeremy Ellis and other material on Ubiquity true.
But categorizing techno by its time signature is a shit move anyways.
It used to be called Birmingham sound to be truly technical about it.
For the record that "Unfinished Business" track is ass. I'm not even saying it cause I don't like the kid, but it is not a breakthrough technique to take a vocal run it through glitch and do a broken time signature around it.......through the whooole damn song. Nothing groundbreaking at all. In your defense Brian I say you know what you're doing when it comes to that kind of track, but ya mans an them..................

[dirty_bass]

well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

[Little_Fella!]

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

I remember struggling with the broken beat and double kick side of things and then it clicking in to place and me actually prefering the change and the extra scope for rhythm changes that it gives you as a producer... lovely!!!

[Little_Fella!]

Oh.. and as a listener I really need that 'Oscar Mulero' hit when I'm out n about, or I start to get bored after a while of just 4x4 hammering...

[gunjack]

Which part of Spain? In the north people always said "triple beat" but I think the right translation could be triple kick(?)



You mean PRRUK 064?

no there is no triple bombo as you say, i worked for a long while in madrid, in a vinyl distributor thanks very much, and yea i made a typo. geez what a jerk huh?

anyway dirty bass thanks for the compliment, like i say planet rhythm 64 and omerta 001 are on promo now, they are fine examples i feel, of the double beat sound taken in the kinda direction you mention, more interaction than displacement for sure.

[Kokotorobot]

omerta 001 - HEAVY!

nice work.

[Kokotorobot]

gunjack, surgeon, olga+yuzef

the spelling is olga + jozef btw

he aint no fukin commie, its an insult :D

[koma]

omerta 001 - HEAVY!

nice work.

silent killer :BigThumbUp:

[gunjack]

the spelling is olga + jozef btw

he aint no fukin commie, its an insult :D

my bad, toki and dalo anyway hehe, anyway thanks for the props on omerta 001!!!

[gunjack]

Broken Beat / Nu jazz as in Jeremy Ellis and other material on Ubiquity true.
But categorizing techno by its time signature is a shit move anyways.
It used to be called Birmingham sound to be truly technical about it.
For the record that "Unfinished Business" track is ass. I'm not even saying it cause I don't like the kid, but it is not a breakthrough technique to take a vocal run it through glitch and do a broken time signature around it.......through the whooole damn song. Nothing groundbreaking at all. In your defense Brian I say you know what you're doing when it comes to that kind of track, but ya mans an them..................

um no that beat is nothing like the birmingham sound, and ok you don't like the vocal? but the kick and clap patterns etc are ABSOLUTELY INOVATIVE and are a new twist on the double beat sound making tracks like that mixable with half time hip hop etc... and if you want to get "technical" about it LUKE SLATER came up with that sound on the early planetary assault sytems records, but matt takes it further.... your comments on the vocal are fair enough, but the rest of the bullshit you are talking is PURE HATING on your part.

[gunjack]

oh and that vocal isn't runt hrough "glitch" thanks, that plug in is no longer used in our studio as we glitch our shit manually now. who wants to be limited by 8 presets? serious hating going on there tony, that's good music and you know it. you don't like the 50 cent sample, fair enough but you cant front on the production of that track.