Techno wiki page

[SlavikSvensk]

this should inspire some strong opinions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno

reading that, what comes to mind?

[rhythmtech]

reading that, what comes to mind?

deja vu?

its just the stereotypical, detroit-centric view of techno thats been regurgitated 1000 times before.

[SlavikSvensk]

i'm a classics fiend, but i also found the inattention to non-detroit techno a bit baffling.

i think that you can't tell the story of techno without telling the story of detroit. conversely, if you want to tell the story of techno, as opposed to the story of detroit techno, you need to spend a little more time on the 19 or so years since people started making it in earnest elsewhere, particularly given that detroit's golden age really ended sometime around 1996 (perhaps with "the bells" lol).

[DannyBlack]

There are so many sides to the Techno story. I'm coming around to the detroit stuff, but only to a certain extent. Electronic, repetative music was around before the pioneers did their thing, so I think Detroit Techno being where it all started is a bit... well... liberal.

I think that Detroit is a most certainly one of major fibres in the thread of techno, but certainly not where it started.

At the same time, that is just my opinion- I'm relatively new to Techno so I could be waaaaay off.

[SlavikSvensk]

you can argue that detroit techno had essential antecedents (e.g. kraftwerk, moroder, etc.), but the thing that came to be called techno began in detroit. but i thought the wiki page did the antecedents stuff well. i just had a problem with how it dealt with techno post-detroit.

but of course it's all process. nothing is entirely original; it all comes from somewhere.

(btw danny, do you listen to much rob hood?)

[DannyBlack]

I suppose you have a point. Unfortunately due to my lack of knowledge on the subject I can't really comment any further without it all being opinion based.

but of course it's all process. nothing is entirely original; it all comes from somewhere.

I have a wee bit on vinyl, but to be honest with you I haven't. I'm not entirely too sure why either.

I think the deepest I have ever delved into the Detroit sound would be Jeff Mills, Green Velvet (Preacher man etc), Knights of the Jaguar~ stuff of that nature.

[The_Laughing_Man]

reading that, what comes to mind?

Boredom

[SlavikSvensk]

I suppose you have a point. Unfortunately due to my lack of knowledge on the subject I can't really comment any further without it all being opinion based.

well, i asked for opinions so let them fly :)

I have a wee bit on vinyl, but to be honest with you I haven't. I'm not entirely too sure why either.

I think the deepest I have ever delved into the Detroit sound would be Jeff Mills, Green Velvet (Preacher man etc), Knights of the Jaguar~ stuff of that nature.

there are some real gems from detroit. also a bunch of stinkers and overrated "classics." but there's a sense of freedom in a lot of early techno--not just from detroit--that i miss. however, a lot sounds too dated for most people nowadays. but some guys, like rob hood, were making music that still sounds really fresh today.

i bring him up because a lot of his records have been rereleased recently, and it blows most of today's minimal out of the water.

[DannyBlack]

well, i asked for opinions so let them fly :)



there are some real gems from detroit. also a bunch of stinkers and overrated "classics." but there's a sense of freedom in a lot of early techno--not just from detroit--that i miss. however, a lot sounds too dated for most people nowadays. but some guys, like rob hood, were making music that still sounds really fresh today.

i bring him up because a lot of his records have been rereleased recently, and it blows most of today's minimal out of the water.

I think what put me off was the local record shop. I remember getting my wages on a Friday and rushing into town with butterflies in my tummy and a turtle head emerging- literally close to crapping with excitement only to be met with UR releases.

I just couldn't get my head around why they were so popular. It was alien to me.

Now there is stuff in my collection that is counted as Detroit I think- Shari Vari- a bloody wonderful track. Then I have preacher man and smatterings of Jeff mills and Mr. Hood. But on the whole I never quite got it.

I agree on the modern minimal point- Modern Minimal I find and I guess why I am so apposed, is incredibly formulaic and churned out. Even 'Plastik man' stuff annoys me.

I know that isn't modern minimal but bloody hell it is so boring. Of course this is my opinion- so please don't hit me haha

[The_Laughing_Man]

i bring him up because a lot of his records have been rereleased recently, and it blows most of today's minimal out of the water.

I never get these kind of statements.
Modern Minimal or the Berlin sound bares no comparison to Hoods minimal detroit stuf.
They are 2 different types of music, the only similarity being a philosophy of minimalism.
Berlin mnml owes little to hood and really takes more reference from house and strips it back, with loads of modern technological techniques.
Hoods music was just detroit stuff with less instrumentation.

I`m not saying one is better than the other, but comparing them is silly.

[DannyBlack]

I never get these kind of statements.
Modern Minimal or the Berlin sound bares no comparison to Hoods minimal detroit stuf.
They are 2 different types of music, the only similarity being a philosophy of minimalism.
Berlin mnml owes little to hood and really takes more reference from house and strips it back, with loads of modern technological techniques.
Hoods music was just detroit stuff with less instrumentation.

I`m not saying one is better than the other, but comparing them is silly.

I think 'Philosophy' is the keyword there. There isn't a 'Philosophy of minimal' these days. It is a 'Philosophy of money'. Soulless.

[The_Laughing_Man]

I agree on the modern minimal point- Modern Minimal I find and I guess why I am so apposed, is incredibly formulaic and churned out. Even 'Plastik man' stuff annoys me.

Now I`m not exactly standing in for mnml here, I like it, but then I like lots of music, and generally I applaud any experimentation and development.

IT`s odd you say mnml is formulaic and churned out, I guess the mainstream stuff is, yes, but you can say that about the mainstream of any genre.

In fact I have found, and still do find more experimentation and innovation in terms of sounds and techniques within mnml than in hard techno.
This is unfortunate, and part of the demise of harder techno I think, as it looped itself into obivion.
I would actually say hard techno is probably the most formulaic at the mo.
It shouldn`t be, but it is.
Same sounds, same patterns, little experimentation, lack of attention to detail.

I wish it would change.

[DannyBlack]

Now I`m not exactly standing in for mnml here, I like it, but then I like lots of music, and generally I applaud any experimentation and development.

IT`s odd you say mnml is formulaic and churned out, I guess the mainstream stuff is, yes, but you can say that about the mainstream of any genre.

In fact I have found, and still do find more experimentation and innovation in terms of sounds and techniques within mnml than in hard techno.
This is unfortunate, and part of the demise of harder techno I think, as it looped itself into obivion.
I would actually say hard techno is probably the most formulaic at the mo.
It shouldn`t be, but it is.
Same sounds, same patterns, little experimentation, lack of attention to detail.

I wish it would change.

Yep- I need to be more specific with my statement. I do absolutely refer to the main stream.

But the experimentation you refer to, the creepy eerie dark stuff- I love. In fact, thats what I find myself leaning towards. Its slow, it allows to put more in and get more out. Hard techno to me is kind of- well for playing at parties I guess.

When I mix at home I stick to the off beat, stripped down music. Alex Bau- the Arms stuff, audio assaults, right through to Jay Pace's stuff. Is THAT minimal?

[davethedrummer]

yeah it's bit top heavy isn't it ?
loads about detroit around the cleavage area
a bit of minimal and rave around the waist
followed by a scantily clad wonky / hardcore bit down below

if that article were a woman
she'd have fallen over by now

[DannyBlack]

You'd give her one though wouldn't you?

[davethedrummer]

hmmm
not sure.... it's the hardcore area that worries me

[SlavikSvensk]

I never get these kind of statements.
Modern Minimal or the Berlin sound bares no comparison to Hoods minimal detroit stuf.
They are 2 different types of music, the only similarity being a philosophy of minimalism.
Berlin mnml owes little to hood and really takes more reference from house and strips it back, with loads of modern technological techniques.
Hoods music was just detroit stuff with less instrumentation.

I`m not saying one is better than the other, but comparing them is silly.

:lol: yes how true. one is minimalistic techno; the other is minimalistic techno, after all. how silly of me to express a preference for one over the other!

besides, it wasn't even the important part of the sentence, dude. i could give two sh*ts about minimal, MNML or whatever its called nowadays. it tends to bore me silly, aside from the stuff that doesn't. but that's no different from any other form of techno. i was just trying to get danny into rob hood, whose classic records never bore me, silly or otherwise.

[DannyBlack]

but that's no different from any other form of techno. i was just trying to get danny into rob hood, whose classic records never bore me, silly or otherwise.

Im youtubing as we speak. in the interest of science.

[DannyBlack]

hmmm
not sure.... it's the hardcore area that worries me

:lol: I can imagine that being a pretty fierce looking clam.

[morbid]

It's clearly all wrong

theres no mention of Scooter or 2 Unlimited anywhere

the very backbone of modern techno : )