Is anyone else a fan of these two? It is utterly brutal gabba/hardcore/ ("darkcore"?) but at a hardstyle speed. Lots of industrial techno noises, screeching, metalic, much darker and harder than hardstyle, with none of the 'formuliac' traits that have seriously dented my love for hardstyle recently.

I would love to know some more names of artists at this techy/dark end of the hardcore spectrum if anyone knows any more names.

If I were a DJ my sets would build up through techno and hardstyle towards this kind of music, its utterly brutal and raw.