**** MINIMAL

[The_Laughing_Man]

Crack isn`t just for christmas.

[Darkmode]

People should get out a bit more, there's bigger things to worry about than shit tracks and DJ's with to much time on their hands.

I can see where you are coming from basicly don't worry about what other people are doing & just do your own thing!

[Chis]

http://casimirsblake.deviantart.com/...rali-141578980

Here's my little "f*ck you" to minimal.

But hey, I LIKE Rob Babicz, so not all minimal sucks.

[BloodStar]

wouldnt blame minimal fans to move to this style. techno got so boring after time that i dont blame them to move on. Maybe if techno artists would think about the results of bashing tons of same releases every week for few years, then maybe techno would survive and mutate to something new and interesting. that would make techno sound fresh and bring new audience = alive and strong.

personally i dont like minimal and i guess it is boring shit,. many artists without production skills still bashing 808 samples together same as techno people bashing loops, where is the difference?

sad thing is that minimal didnt killed techno. techno killed itself.

[koma]

techno will never die!
we are the robots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-haWSy43Ks

[gunjack]

if techno artists would think about the results of bashing tons of same releases every week for few years

for all you wondering about the "dark" sound. this is what killed it. i remember a moment when i was working at jaxx when it was exium/olga+yozef/wunsch/mulero all releasing remixes of tunes that had already been remixed etc i mean all the f ucking records sounded the same and there were so many remixes of the same tunes....

shortly after i remember the "panic" setting in that "techno wasn't selling like it used to" pfffft. people just got sick of 257940289754 off beat reaktor synth tunes...

[gunjack]

i remember this big meeting on the office about how "if oscar (mulero) wasn't selling in spain, then even god couldn't sell techno at the moment" meanwhile i had vincente the accountant burst into the room and holler in spanish "goddamn gunjack! you sold 800 copies of GCS03 in 10 days!" i just smiled and kept my mouth shut as oscar and them looked over at me with "i wanna murder you brian" eyes... hehe

[gunjack]

maybe if people hadn't have gotten stuck in the brummy sound or the "spanish" sound they might have realized that DIVERSITY = LONGEVITY

[SlavikSvensk]

said this a lot in the past, but there is too much of a "track" mentality in techno, not enough of a "song" mentality. people make things with the dancefloor in mind, which is fine, but a lot of producers just crank out product without much thought about how this will stand up over time, or how it will be memorable amid a glut of similar product.

this isn't a new development in any way, shape or form, nor is it unique to techno. but techno isn't new and fresh now either.

[BloodStar]

there is too much of a "track" mentality in techno, not enough of a "song" mentality.

well said.

[Jay Pace]

+1 on the "instead of bashing minimal why not just do something interesting"

Hating minimal won't make crowds flock back. I preferred techno's shaven headed army having an honest to god stomp over the ketamised tight jean brigade wearing sun glasses to side-chained white noise, but really, who gives a shit?

Things move on, if people don't like minimal they're under no obligation to make it, play it or go out to it.

[koma]

said this a lot in the past, but there is too much of a "track" mentality in techno, not enough of a "song" mentality. people make things with the dancefloor in mind, which is fine, but a lot of producers just crank out product without much thought about how this will stand up over time, or how it will be memorable amid a glut of similar product.

i had this discussion a while ago. people doing tribal or harder techno were moaning how minimal ruined techno, how these producers are switching in it for money bla bla bla, then i asked, how come you dont produce something else, i mean, tribal techno is so 2005, get over it. and where is the funk and soul in tracks created with few loops we already heard dozens times (half of which is from sample cds anyway)... then i got the answer, well it still sells so its ok...

so wtf, who is ruining what?!

[The_Laughing_Man]

A combination of shrinking market, distributers losing their balls, desperation from artists and dj`s to be popular in as little time with as little work as possible, has caused an overall lack of courage.
The mentality of play safe is partly what has "ruined" techno.

There is still great stuff out there, but distributers are so backed into a corner now they just want a repeat of whatever was popular last month.
The game is constantly playing catch up, rather than investing in getting ahead of the game.

The digital revolution is both a massive blessing and a curse.
The blessing is that some really good shit is out there getting released now, that normally would scare the distributers.
The curse is that you need to spend time sifting through all the crap (was it any different when vinyl was massive though?)

What holds techno back is the dogged and blind commitment to vinyl, which you just don`t see so much in other dance genres.

[Chis]

What holds techno back is the dogged and blind commitment to vinyl, which you just don`t see so much in other dance genres.

+1... billion. Vinyl prices are hideous. £8 for a 12" with two tracks and about 15 minutes of music, is it any wonder why people complain?

Oh and why wasn't my other post accepted? I know BOA is music-orientated but the link I posted was relevant! My admittedly non-musical contribution to the "disliking minimalism" crowd: http://casimirsblake.deviantart.com/...rali-141578980

Personally I feel minimalism has become an excuse for poor production, stretching barely-developed musical ideas across tracks that shouldn't be 1 minute, let alone 7. And dare I say, lack of talent or composition ability? Deadmau5 and his ilk can't write melodies or basslines worth a damn. On the other hand, whilst I don't enjoy everything Rob Babicz has put out, he is a happy exception to this.

[SlavikSvensk]

i had this discussion a while ago. people doing tribal or harder techno were moaning how minimal ruined techno, how these producers are switching in it for money bla bla bla, then i asked, how come you dont produce something else, i mean, tribal techno is so 2005, get over it. and where is the funk and soul in tracks created with few loops we already heard dozens times (half of which is from sample cds anyway)... then i got the answer, well it still sells so its ok...

so wtf, who is ruining what?!

good point. i think if people just made good music, with the aim of making "timeless" music (i.e. something that you might actually still want to listen to in 5 or 10 years), there'd be no problem.

instead, too many people make things you'd want to hear out 5 or 10 years ago. and aside from some improvements in production technique, i'm not sure there's much reason to replace older "dj tracks" with new ones.

but songs, i mean memorable ones with some feeling, thoughtfulness and art to them...well, i'll grab those in a second, whether they are techno, minimal or fill-in-the-blanks.

[gunjack]

aren't you the floury cunt

[drift9]

aren't you the floury cunt

what? like a cake?

[SlavikSvensk]

techno's future:

[koma]

back to the roots again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAJEX1GtMQE

[gunjack]

techno's future:

pastelèro totÃ*l