**** MINIMAL

[DannyBlack]

oh dear god make him stop

Ah ignore my quips mate. I was having one of them days. You know, the kind of day when you're one slice short of a whole loaf.

[teknorich]

si, pero la ultima harina por el harinero techno es:



(that logo...WTF?!!?)

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. The Spanish can be pretty backward when it comes to racism.
I remember when I lived in Barcelona being absolutely shocked to see little chocolate sweets with this character as the symbol on the bag:

http://culturekitchen.com/files/imag..._conguitos.jpg

Wow...

[Chis]

I agree I have been saying something like this for quite awhile there is lot of producers out there who have tracks that have no structure when I work on a track I always try to make it structured so it sounds more interesting I look at it as telling a story you have a beginging a middle & an end

there is too many tacks out there that have no soul if you know what I mean?

I wonder if Darkmode realises just how on the mark he is... Not that there isn't any "tracky" techno in my collection (Surgeon? Go Hiyama?), and not that there isn't a place for such music, but this is a problem with ALL dance music genres since the mid 90s. Lots of generic made-for-club nonsense. I try tremendously hard to avoid that "gradual layering trap" in my own music...

[gunjack]

lots of folks lose perspective and forget that "techno" is a little tiny flea on the dog of music.....

[CTRLS]

except that "storyless" techno dj tools are a dime a dozen, and have been for 20+ years.

i count predictable buildups and other cliches part and parcel of what it means to be a "track" and not a "song." honestly, i don't think it's at all about how many changes occur or how much stuff is in there. a lot of the most captivating, timeless techno i know is minimalistic and highly repetative. take maurizio, for example. still sounds great.

to me, it's a question of whether the music has something to say beyond BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-SQUELCH, whether it says something that wasn't said 5, 10 or 20 years ago, and whether or not it might be worth listening to 5, 10 or 20 years down the lane.

nice post. i rate mills over a lot people because of his concept albums. total sucker for that whole early detroit sci fi thing and following the development up to stuff like one man spaceship. the last planetary album had some very interesting developments too (love that breakdown in temporary suspension). there are few producer that can make music interesting for both the home listener and the dj.

the main thing that made me loose faith in the whole minimal movement was that i saw so many djs adopt a lazy jukebox set format. the tracks did all the work (and badly). loong breakdowns with predictable buildups, then on to the next mix after the drop, repeat. luckily there are people like hawtin that get a lot more serious but its always sad to see music styles adopt a formulated approach.

[AVX23]

like every genre, 90 per cent of it is dogturd. if done right however its great.

not sure why a minimal forum has been added here though, techno and minimal is like dogs and cats.

Not really, I think Robert Hood might have something to say about that.... ;)