History of Techno?

[SlavikSvensk]

what was the term "techno" used to describe, though? the electronic dance music of detroit. then that term was applied to music directly associated with it, then to music directly associated with that. it's in these second and third phases that a more diverse range of influences come into play than whatever juan, kevin, derrick n' friends were listening to in the 1980s. but techno as techno still stems directly from the detroit tree, and not so directly from that other range of influences.

it's foolish to think there was george clinton and kraftwerk in a few guys' heads and that's where all today's techno music exclusively comes from. but it's too revisionist to go so far in the other direction as to forget that the music called techno comes from detroit; that without detroit, we don't have techno; and that as powerful an influence on techno's development that things like EBM, industrial etc. have been (and arguably more so than detroit stuff in certain corners of techno), they're just not as directly and generally influential on the genre as a whole.

[The_Laughing_Man]

what was the term "techno" used to describe, though? the electronic dance music of detroit. then that term was applied to music directly associated with it, then to music directly associated with that. it's in these second and third phases that a more diverse range of influences come into play than whatever juan, kevin, derrick n' friends were listening to in the 1980s. but techno as techno still stems directly from the detroit tree, and not so directly from that other range of influences.

it's foolish to think there was george clinton and kraftwerk in a few guys' heads and that's where all today's techno music exclusively comes from. but it's too revisionist to go so far in the other direction as to forget that the music called techno comes from detroit; that without detroit, we don't have techno; and that as powerful an influence on techno's development that things like EBM, industrial etc. have been (and arguably more so than detroit stuff in certain corners of techno), they're just not as directly and generally influential on the genre as a whole.

You really haven`t listened to much music that was techno and not from detroit at that time have you.
In the US you might have a point, but in europe things evolved and crossed over in a more diverse, and less clear way.

[a X cell]

D'you guys know it's really interesting to see what you give as informations? I mean, it's really interesting to get at least something different than all the documentaries with interviews from Jeff Mills, Derrick May, Laurent Garnier, blablabla.

I knew the website from techno.org but it's not really updated since 2004. However, it gives you an idea of what you like, what you do not like. (ok, the informations you can get on every styles is biaised but whatever...)

I'll read these articles now.

[SlavikSvensk]

You really haven`t listened to much music that was techno and not from detroit at that time have you.
In the US you might have a point, but in europe things evolved and crossed over in a more diverse, and less clear way.

:lol: :lol:

you really do talk some ****, don't you? mate, i was into industrial/ebm/new wave and a host of other influences on techno YYYYEEEEAAAARRRRSSSSS before i started listening to actual techno. i recognize why these and other musical forms (electro-acoustic classical, anyone?) are important to the story of techno.

but you're being overly revisionist. if you look at techno historically, you see a very linear progression of the music from detroit, and its differentiation as non-techno music traditions combine with existing and previous techno music to form new subgenres and directions. so YES, those traditions are veeeerrrry important. but not so generally important, in the sense that they only become important somewhere down the time trail, and even then, much more on certain quarters of the expanding genre than others. at the same time, the influence of detroit dilutes and becomes tangential in certain quarters of the genre. yet that direct and impossible to ignore lineage remains.

the 'reflexive detroit' and 'reflexively anti-detroit' dogmas are just so limiting.

[The_Laughing_Man]

I don`t take either side.
I don`t think detroit is soley responsible for anything, as it was already happening, and I don`t think that the history of industrial, musique concrete, minimalism, noise and anti music is soley responsible either as in itself it was so diverse it is hard to actually place it in a box and define it, and it was itself caught up in a web of influencial feedback.

However I think the european path of techno simply isn`t as clear cut, as everyone was already dancing to techno and suddenly a name came along that labeled a sub genre of electronic dance music. There has always been a more arty side of all electronic genres in europe, slightly moreso than stateside.

Yes I do talk shit, no more than yourself though, you probably just can`t smell it as well.