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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk View Post
    mark,

    it's nice that you can take that route, as it benefits people who want your tracks greatly. but as you say, you are established. people will download your tracks, play them, and book you to play.

    this is not something that non-established artists can count on, and must build through some sort of "institutional support." traditionally this would come from labels, but now that's all in flux.

    so how does a newer, less established artist get his or her tracks out there? well, getting them on beatport, junodownload, itunes and onto various charts is one of the best of a set of bad options in today's broken techno business model.
    sorry, I still don't see how it's any better an option, whether you are established or not when your are just going to get lost in the sheer quantity of stuff out there - I'm established and I get lost in the sheer quantity of stuff that's coming out now - I think the fact of the matter is, the majority of people have got used to getting something for nothing - this is why live performance is more important than ever - anyway, was just a thought - yes, very nice for me that giving away a few things gets me more downloads than selling them, that's blindingly obvious - still doesn't stop me from having to work 9-5 now to pay the bills- that said, it's done wonders for artistic freedom not being tied into any financial model - I stand by what I said - Quality - and very original i should add - music is always going to count for much more than Promotion or getting certain djs playing your tunes...

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    yeah, but how are people going to find someone who is new? they find you because you play out and have a lot of records out on established labels, which have in the past made an assessment of your work as of sufficient quality. rightly or wrongly, people still use labels to filter that quantity. i do it. if i see something with the mobilee label on it, i can be pretty sure it's the kind of minimal i like. i don't have unlimited time to go to everyone's website and listen to all their tracks critically. i might go to yours, but i already know who you are and what you are about, through your previous ties to labels i know and trust. :)

    but i do agree with you that the "business model" is not really workable.
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    Anybody checked this :: i think music ::
    Easy way to sell directly from your site

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyc2002 View Post
    Label Worx are pretty safe (in my opinion).

    Label Worx : Home

    cheers mate really helped that just sighened up

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk View Post
    a non-established artist can't bust in by giving tracks away for free on his or her website.
    I think its a mix of both though.
    The first noise network release we did has done over 1000 downloads. Thats infinitely more than most new artists could expect to sell, unless they get picked up by a huge label.

    I think the "netlabel first, established label later" model has got some legs to it. Build up profile and develop your sound on free labels, migrate to established labels once you've developed your sound. Maybe launch your own label once you've built enough of a profile to pull it off.

    Rushing to sell releases can limit your success. Starting out the big thing is to get heard and respected, not get paid. No point having music sit on a distribution server if nobody is buying it or hearing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crime View Post
    sorry, I still don't see how it's any better an option, whether you are established or not when your are just going to get lost in the sheer quantity of stuff out there - I'm established and I get lost in the sheer quantity of stuff that's coming out now - I think the fact of the matter is, the majority of people have got used to getting something for nothing - this is why live performance is more important than ever - anyway, was just a thought - yes, very nice for me that giving away a few things gets me more downloads than selling them, that's blindingly obvious - still doesn't stop me from having to work 9-5 now to pay the bills- that said, it's done wonders for artistic freedom not being tied into any financial model - I stand by what I said - Quality - and very original i should add - music is always going to count for much more than Promotion or getting certain djs playing your tunes...
    Very true, however, its no good having the most amazing music in the world if no ones ever going to hear it. DJ's have always played a big part in the promotion of new music. The only difference between now and then is that its easier and cheaper to mass email a list of DJ's with links to high quality MP3's than it is to post 300 records.

    I can totally see your argument though in the sense that absolutely anybody, with a little effort, can get there music onto a commercial store, regardless of the quality (I'm living proof of this). I would be the first to admit (swallowing pride here) that looking back, the first few tracks (1-3) we released could have been better and this was reflected in the sales reports. Further down the line our tracks are stronger and consequently, sales are up. Simple really...

    Admittedly, if I demonstrated some patience, I would have planned things better in the beginning and not rush to upload stuff to the stores simply because I can...

    But hey, you live and learn ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyc2002 View Post
    Very true, however, its no good having the most amazing music in the world if no ones ever going to hear it. DJ's have always played a big part in the promotion of new music. The only difference between now and then is that its easier and cheaper to mass email a list of DJ's with links to high quality MP3's than it is to post 300 records.

    I can totally see your argument though in the sense that absolutely anybody, with a little effort, can get there music onto a commercial store, regardless of the quality (I'm living proof of this). I would be the first to admit (swallowing pride here) that looking back, the first few tracks (1-3) we released could have been better and this was reflected in the sales reports. Further down the line our tracks are stronger and consequently, sales are up. Simple really...

    Admittedly, if I demonstrated some patience, I would have planned things better in the beginning and not rush to upload stuff to the stores simply because I can...

    But hey, you live and learn ;)
    of course you have to get your stuff out there- the thing is though there are a so many people spamming about their second rate trax to the point where more established people, DJs, whatever switch off - I don't bother to check 90% of stuff that comes my way via myspace spam - this is why I say, you're better off having a solid residency, some vinyl releases if you're going to get anywhere - and if you're really good enough you WILL get somewhere - just right now there are a lot of second rate wannabee "producers" who can't see that their trax are run of the mill and second rate, and in the long run will actually turn off the audiences more and more as people start to think that it's ALL shit out there - and then miss the good stuff as a result..

 

 
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