Should you give your music away ?

[DannyBlack]

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hahahahaha f*ck em.

[The_Laughing_Man]

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hahahahaha f*ck em.

I think you miss the point slightly.
Of course EMI are poop.
The point is they have the power to influence, to essentially make people buy music by using repition based suggestion (radio play, adverts etc) and a lot of NLP techniques. These techniques are still working, people are still getting the music in droves. They just aren`t paying.
The most effective methods of selling music, and even THEY can`t make a profit.

Good riddance etc, but also, bloody hell!

[DannyBlack]

I think you miss the point slightly.
Of course EMI are poop.
The point is they have the power to influence, to essentially make people buy music by using repition based suggestion (radio play, adverts etc) and a lot of NLP techniques. These techniques are still working, people are still getting the music in droves. They just aren`t paying.
The most effective methods of selling music, and even THEY can`t make a profit.

Good riddance etc, but also, bloody hell!

Ah i see what you mean. Yeah the NLP that these companies use is quite blindingly good.

That's why the number of charity singles have increased I think. What is one way to guarantee reciprocity? A cause to donate too. "These poor sods have no legs, buy the x-factors new single 'legs for nothing, limbs for free' and we will donate a fraction to buying them 2x4's"...

[Craig_Lea]

... I'm now thinking about just giving away my music for free.

An interesting experiment could be to try out what the developers of World of Goo did.
For a week or so, they just let people pay what they want, starting from $0.01
You could even extend it to start from free.

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[BloodStar]

good idea, but nothing changes,tho. it will be on illegal downlaods sites next day, and not many people will pay for it.

why should they pay you 1 euro for 5tracks if they like just known artist and not interested about other 4tunes. when they go to any online store, they can buy a tune for almost same money, so where is the difference?

[scott_robinson]

Sure BloodStar I hear you but I meant an established artist in techno.

It is a lot harder to find techno music torrents. By the time it gets up the experiment will be over, and we will have stats.

Anyway it was just an idea, I get what you are saying.

[The_Laughing_Man]

It is a lot harder to find techno music torrents.

Not really, I know loads of people who are getting flacs and mp3`s ripped from vinyl on the day of release, or even before release from promo ripps via 0day, soulseek etc.
There is like a competative culture in the ripping community to be the first to get it online and some of the Scene releasers are really organised.

[teknonotice]

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this was last weeeknd at Liquid a small underground club ...with turbosound I may add

Sky club much bigger..elevated DJ booth, proper!!

[clubsynthetic]

Why not just start a website, and charge 20p each track in (an increasing) wav library? If other good artists want on it split it 50-50 with them. Making it a better deal for the arist direct.

Despite folk copying and illegally downloading them, i think there would be enough folk in the market that would be respect to the music and pay for it and also because they are not getting shafted by some corperate ****er. A bit easier if you are, say, an established label. Cut out all the middle men and undercut them. Obviously i'm not sure about website costs and matenence, bandwidth, etc. If you sold 1000 downloads worldwide of all tracks/artists how far would that money take you on your website?

WAVs for 20p. It would sound ultra tempting for me..

[gustavo]

Waves for 20p seems completely unrealistic to me in the End labels would Pay to sell music

1 euro per wave would be an Excellent price

[Igneous]

If you can afford to give your music away then do it & let the world sort its self out.

I don't think free music is devalued, especial if it makes me want to dance or stirs my emotions.

[The_Laughing_Man]

If you can afford to give your music away then do it & let the world sort its self out.

I don't think free music is devalued, especial if it makes me want to dance or stirs my emotions.

Ok I kinda agree in a way.
But then what are DJ`s getting payed for?
Playing other peoples music?
WHy should they get paid, for only playing it? Which took 5 mins to download, when the maker could have taken a week or two to perfect the tune?

As long as the DJ`s are getting paid, the bar staff are getting paid, the soundsystem guys are getting paid, the door staff are getting paid etc then there is a so called industry and the people providing the music that the entire scene is built upon should also get their piece of bread.

I say again why pay for anything? why just stop at music?
We live in a capitalist world.

[Igneous]

Ok I kinda agree in a way.
But then what are DJ`s getting payed for?
Playing other peoples music?
WHy should they get paid, for only playing it? Which took 5 mins to download, when the maker could have taken a week or two to perfect the tune?

As long as the DJ`s are getting paid, the bar staff are getting paid, the soundsystem guys are getting paid, the door staff are getting paid etc then there is a so called industry and the people providing the music that the entire scene is built upon should also get their piece of bread.

I say again why pay for anything? why just stop at music?
We live in a capitalist world.

I guess I see music as something different to most products & services.

[Mindful]

Ok I kinda agree in a way.
But then what are DJ`s getting payed for?
Playing other peoples music?
WHy should they get paid, for only playing it? Which took 5 mins to download, when the maker could have taken a week or two to perfect the tune?

As long as the DJ`s are getting paid, the bar staff are getting paid, the soundsystem guys are getting paid, the door staff are getting paid etc then there is a so called industry and the people providing the music that the entire scene is built upon should also get their piece of bread.

I say again why pay for anything? why just stop at music?
We live in a capitalist world.

I give quite a bit of my music away for free (free net labels etc), I really don't mind if I'm happy with the music that I'm sharing. The reason I don't mind this so much is because it doesn't feel like anybody is making money from me (although of course somebody is) so if they are not getting paid from my work then I dont mind not getting paid for it (for now)

Your point is a great one though. In a case where everybody but the actual artist who wrote the music is getting paid (because of that music) that kind of blows dog shit big time.
Like you say the entire scene is built upon this music so for the actual source of all this to be the only one not getting a slice is quite bizarre ... even the cows that McDonald's get their beef from get fed... makes me kind of feel lower than a pre slaughtered hamburger

[DannyBlack]

DJ's get paid? :lol:

[DarkYoung]

DJ's get paid? :lol:

yes mate, depends on:

how well you know the promoter X
how ****ing inanely stupid he is