Reverb and Delay

[DannyBlack]

This gives me what I need and that little bit extra. I'm in love with this plugin.

[vinvanman]

the trick is to get what you want out of a reverb, if it gets what you want, then it`s a good reverb.
There`s too much gear masturbation in the industry and not enough creativity IMO

Hear, hear

[rhythmtech]

the trick is to get what you want out of a reverb, if it gets what you want, then it`s a good reverb.
There`s too much gear masturbation in the industry and not enough creativity IMO

im of the opposite thinking. IMO theres way to much shyte out there and we need more top quality, high end stuff. especially in the reverb market which is saturated with crap.

[Mindful]

Thanks guys. Will be checking out some of the delay suggestions.
As far as reverb goes I'm well happy with the IKM

[The_Laughing_Man]

im of the opposite thinking. IMO theres way to much shyte out there and we need more top quality, high end stuff. especially in the reverb market which is saturated with crap.

There are plenty of good reverbs out there.
There`s some beautiful music coming out with lush reverb on by people using just ableton verb (not that I like ableton verb that much).
Gear wanking has and always will be endemic to production culture, but 50% is bullshit.
I`ve been a member of the record producers guild The Music Producers Guild - the record producer organisation (now called the music producers guild check the site for loads and loads of interesting stuff) since I was 19, and who have been disseminating the bullshit for years. Some of the blind product testings they do every year yield very interesting results with producers. I`ve seen some crazy unexpected results over the years (especially in areas of the analog/digital debate).
It`s very easy to get caught up in the crap and convince yourself (or be convinced) of things that when blind tested are proven totally false.
There`s far too much elitism within the studio production community (mainly from those fresh to it) and it does nothing to proliferate creativity and experimentation.

I`m not saying that the Lexicon stuff is bad at all, it isn`t, it`s good, but no longer as ahead as it was years ago, and good results can be gleaned in other ways with good technique.

It`s amazing the unexpected and unconventional gear that some truly iconic music has been made with and on.

[rhythmtech]

There are plenty of good reverbs out there.
There`s some beautiful music coming out with lush reverb on by people using just ableton verb (not that I like ableton verb that much).
Gear wanking has and always will be endemic to production culture, but 50% is bullshit.
I`ve been a member of the record producers guild The Music Producers Guild - the record producer organisation (now called the music producers guild check the site for loads and loads of interesting stuff) since I was 19, and who have been disseminating the bullshit for years. Some of the blind product testings they do every year yield very interesting results with producers. I`ve seen some crazy unexpected results over the years (especially in areas of the analog/digital debate).
It`s very easy to get caught up in the crap and convince yourself (or be convinced) of things that when blind tested are proven totally false.
There`s far too much elitism within the studio production community (mainly from those fresh to it) and it does nothing to proliferate creativity and experimentation.

I`m not saying that the Lexicon stuff is bad at all, it isn`t, it`s good, but no longer as ahead as it was years ago, and good results can be gleaned in other ways with good technique.

It`s amazing the unexpected and unconventional gear that some truly iconic music has been made with and on.

i think you're reading me the wrong way. im sure the lexicon is beautiful. havent a clue yet till i start this demo. not that it makes a differance to me at that price.

what im saying is that a lot of the verbs are shyte. you can dispute that if you want but down in the studios im in we have a real plate and a number of lex units and to compare the sound to the average vst verb is a joke. theres very very few plugin verbs that ciould stand anywhere near the real thing, theres just no disputing that.

its unfortuate as im all about ITB here but i cant get beyond the UADs, breverb and a good IR rev.

hopefully that will all change with the new 480... or ill find 1100 on the street for the lex.

[DannyBlack]

I think you're both too long at this game lads. Ye's have lost the joy of discovery.


tee hee

[stjohn]

Wizoo Reverb has been doing the job for me for a while. and I love how you can shape the tail, although things can be a bit phasey sometimes

Space Master in reaktor is nice. Toraverb is grungy and fun, but i wouldnt call it hi quality

As for delay, the Waves Supertap 6 is great for a tight spatial ping!

[teknorich]

The reason my mate wanted the Lexicon isn't that it's the best overall (though he said it is very good) but more psychologically that it has been one of the industry standards for years, so a lot of well known songs, movies, adverts etc have used it, and as such, the reverb sounds it produces feels more "right" to people as they have been hearing it unknowingly for years, and so they appreciate the reverb sound more.

[The_Laughing_Man]

I think you're both too long at this game lads. Ye's have lost the joy of discovery.


tee hee

not at all, it`s easy to get caught up in sound nerd bullshit when you have been around for a while.
Getting anal over stupid things like reverb.
Then you hear a beautiful piece of music made with shit cheap crap, or done just with ableton or something, and realise it doesn`t matter.
IF you can get it to sound good, then it sounds good, electronic music moves the goal posts, and "natural" isn`t always what is required.
I get caught up in it myself (I own a 7 grand compressor for ****s sake), and yet I still get more pleasing results sometimes with free software.

It important to understand the rules, and then even more important to bend the **** out of them.