@little fella,

did write quite a long post here about emotional robot, but never posted it, doh, I will have to rewrite that when i have more time, but in short, you done a good job and put in a lot of work after i left.

you were spot on about the sub, It is not coming from the kick, but a seperate track, I had the filter set far far far too high, causing me a multitude of problems, including the muddyness with the other line, and also not alowing me to push it hard enough in the mix.

The verb on the top end, yeah had way too much of that as well.

The top end loop already has tones of modulation going on, think i will have to spend more time on this as i agree that although the sound changes it is not drastic enough.

cheers for all your pointers, they are a great help as always