what advent and industrialyzer are doing is whats getting me excited about hard techno again. I personally abandoned it when they stopped caring about sound quality....anyone can make a devastating kick drum with a bunch of mud around it...which seemed to be the main part of most tracks coming out for a while.

and anything above 135 is just too much for me nowadays (my younger self would be dissapointed) and even thats pushing it.....i also like to see girls on the dancefloor. girls are cool. i might get flamed for this but whatever....145bpm hard techno = cockfest...in nyc at least. maybe in a european fest its different.