Ben Simms & Surgeon Etc @ Split - Turnmills 8th Feb 2004

[tioneb]

the topic was more about laptop djing....
laptop lives can be interesting if they are well done and they can be as much "lively" as regular lives ...


but thats true the laptop thingy removes a part of the show

[g]

same goes for laptop djing, if it's done as well as mr. child does it.

besides, as miro more or less said, beatmatching is a skill born out of necessity, not preference

[split]

personally i find the way tony is doing it very exciting (using LIVE to dj), the possiblities for manipulation of music is endless and you can create true mastermixes and edits live, with turntables you are restricted to how many hands you have because you always have to worry about tracks going out of time and you can only use a certain amount of layers of music because of that, using a laptop for dj-ing in this way is a step foward.
i've been quoted as saying final scratch dj's look like they are checking their emails and i stick to that, fs offers at best nothing more than the convience of being able to carry more tracks around with you , it offers nothing more in the way of manipulation of music or originality of mixing style because you are still just mixing with turntables as before.
many people justify using fs by saying they can test out their own unreleased material with it but you can do that with a cdr (which actually sound much better anyway).
it will be interesting to see how things develop over the next few months as more and more dj's have a go (myself included) at using LIVE as a dj tool.

[G-BO]

that line-up looks fantastic would go to the lengths of ireland to catch a line-up like that, just aint a big a market for it over here

[Boboagogo]

dublins pretty kickin atm G. Speedy J (Live) + Ellen Allien @ electri city on a thursday nite says it all...plus mulero next week. got to make a trip down there sometime..

[tioneb]

dublins pretty kickin atm G. Speedy J (Live) + Ellen Allien @ electri city on a thursday nite says it all...plus mulero next week. got to make a trip down there sometime..

when i was in Dublin last summer i thought that was most "electronic music involved" city ... loads and loads of people feeling concerned by this music, and though i have been there only one week end, i could see almost each week theres a nice party there .. electric city is really kewl partiy and there are some other good aswell

[serox]

looks like he is checking email, haha

[stefano1981]

Boboagogo, why didn't you make the trip over like I did. :) Seriously though, we may not be getting the big names over to Dublin but there a loads of small nights (run by people who really care about the music and their customers) bringing over unusual guests that have never been seen here before. I think that's much better. I can go abroad to see the huge names and I don't have to worry about all the clubs closing at 3am either.

[serox]

lived in ireland for 4 years. thought was terrible for going out. i rem when i saw jeff mills like when i first got there and no1 turned up lol. also when i was at a dave clarke night at red box and i was talking with some people inside and was saying i didnt rate the night much, i thought dave clarke was not on form. they asked me who he was

found alot of the clubs were full of knackers or blokes trying pull women.

[stefano1981]

Yeah that Mills gig has been talked about for a long time. One of the decks was also broken and he was apparently furious. Things have definitely changed though, nearly all the big clubs are gone and it's gone back to the smaller clubs with people there for the music. Also, the last three times Mills has played it's been ridiculously packed and ruining the night for a lot people, so I heard.

[serox]

yes heard things have changed since then. but ireland was not ready for techno when i was there i think, shame.

is kitchen, mono red box still there tho right? also switch was dark n moody :)

red box has the worse layout for a club i ever seen, people just seem to be walin around on the dance floor going somwhere

[stefano1981]

Red Box refurbished a while ago and is still a nightmare designwise. I rarely go there becasue there is nothing of interest to me there. Mono is gone, so is Switch (music policy and name change, it's now called the Hub) although they've recently brought techno back to the Tuesday slot in there. The Kitchen closed down a while back, no real lose because there was rarely anything of interest on. Dunno about Dublin not being ready for techno when you were there. For starters that Mills gig was on a Thursday which obviously hit attendence, there was UFO at Columbia Mills, D1 @ The Funnel and Genius @ The Kitchen around about that time. They were all very well respected techno nights and D1 is still running although they are now in a club called Traffic. Also, there were tons of techno nights on (something a lot of people used to complain of) around the time Mono, Switch et al were in their heyday.

[Boboagogo]

if i had the cash i would def be travelling about but i barely have enough to make it to the local nights + buying records etc leaves me pretty skint...finishing my music course in a few months so hopefully when i get a proper job ill be able to make a few trips down to dublin, the lineups are quality!

[tioneb]

what do you think about bodkins ??? Damn this place is ****king crazy :lol:

[stefano1981]

Yeah, love Bodkins and they have Slobodan playing in the near future for Let Loose. That'll be good'un. :)

[Tony]

we have final scratch in our flat, and it takes just as much skill to sound good on it as it does just normal decks. its very very close to the real thing, yet you interact with a computer instead of a record bag (i know you all know this) and beleive me, i still beat juggle, offbeat scratch, drop scratch and **** around as much as usual. the one bonus being you can do two copies of the same tune for every tune you've mp3d. if you're a whack dj you'll be just as bad on final scratch and prob a little more confused.

[ampassasinbirmingham]

if you're a whack dj you'll be just as bad on final scratch and prob a little more confused.

thats u ****ed then tony;)

U going toi the next HOG? didnt c ya at last one?