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    techno has moved on,even forward you could say. just because also of techno now has slowed in tempo, i would hardly say ' it has lost its balls ' personally i think the slower something is the darker it becomes.

    this place needs to move on from hard techno and realise there is a whole host of music and artists out there that are still making amazing music.

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    Basslinejunkie, do you still go clubbing any more mate? Do you find the new, slower Techno as exciting on the dancefloor? I'm not criticising, but from conversations with other Techno heads here in Liverpool over the last couple of years, people just don't feel the "Nu Skool Techno" in the way they did the older stuff. It is great for home listening, even for house parties, and the production values are WAY higher than they were in the past, but at the same time it just feels less exciting and gives less of an adrenalin rush than it did when it was 10-15BPM faster. When you are on the dancefloor, you want to get lost in the adrenalin and the excitement of the music, not stand there and admire the high production quality, stroking your chin...

    I think maybe we did this to the scene ourselves, with too many drugs, music going too fast and too low quality, just mindless pounders for the pill heads, but what we have nowadays feels like a shadow of Techno's former spirit and vibe on the dancefloor.


    Mattias said: "Though I know that really soon some more heavy stuff with classic feel is coming, and even some old classics will return. I hope it might change the environment a bit more over time " which I totally agree with. I think the success of Minimal and the newer Techno sound was in part a result of failings in the old Techno scene, but I am hopeful for a resurgence to some extent of the old, more underground, harder Techno vibe. I don't want 150BPM mindless distorted rubbish for kids on drugs, but I also don't want 125BPM trendy techno for ibiza posers. There's a happy medium somewhere between, and I think that Techno will find it's place in there and grow again.
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    And before anyone says it, it is not just an issue of speed! It's far too easy when people criticise modern Techno to just say that they want nothing but hard-assed pounders and they are speed freaks (repeat ad nauseum) but that is missing the point.

    Yes, Techno nowadays is slower, but it is also not as hard a sound, not as agressive or pumping, and it doesn't excite a dancefloor the way it used to. You compare Beyer's output now to his older releases, and they just don't have anywhere near the same energy or vibe to them. Techno felt so much more intense in the past than it does now, and that is not just cos it was faster. The drums were bigger, fatter, harder, louder, the tracks were more attacking, and you didn't get compressed bongos and white noise hisses on every damn tune!

    I've never had so much high quality home listening Techno in my life, and I am genuinely pleased with that, but I have also never found the Techno dancefloors so lacklustre and uninteresting, and that I am not at all happy about. There's a happy medium to be reached, and the sooner the better in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknorich View Post
    Basslinejunkie, do you still go clubbing any more mate? Do you find the new, slower Techno as exciting on the dancefloor? I'm not criticising, but from conversations with other Techno heads here in Liverpool over the last couple of years, people just don't feel the "Nu Skool Techno" in the way they did the older stuff. It is great for home listening, even for house parties, and the production values are WAY higher than they were in the past, but at the same time it just feels less exciting and gives less of an adrenalin rush than it did when it was 10-15BPM faster. When you are on the dancefloor, you want to get lost in the adrenalin and the excitement of the music, not stand there and admire the high production quality, stroking your chin...

    I think maybe we did this to the scene ourselves, with too many drugs, music going too fast and too low quality, just mindless pounders for the pill heads, but what we have nowadays feels like a shadow of Techno's former spirit and vibe on the dancefloor.


    Mattias said: "Though I know that really soon some more heavy stuff with classic feel is coming, and even some old classics will return. I hope it might change the environment a bit more over time " which I totally agree with. I think the success of Minimal and the newer Techno sound was in part a result of failings in the old Techno scene, but I am hopeful for a resurgence to some extent of the old, more underground, harder Techno vibe. I don't want 150BPM mindless distorted rubbish for kids on drugs, but I also don't want 125BPM trendy techno for ibiza posers. There's a happy medium somewhere between, and I think that Techno will find it's place in there and grow again.
    think your missing my point. i hate 'minimal' as much as anybody else. i would not class this as new skool techno.in my opinion, its just dressed up house.

    others though,people i do respect ( the kind of people numeric has mentioned ) have realised that they need to adapt and do something different. and i think it takes more balls to do this than just keep pumping out the same old stuff,the stuff you know people will like.

    for me, this is the most exciting time in many a year for techno and my own personal tastes.there is just so much good stuff around at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basslinejunkie View Post
    for me, this is the most exciting time in many a year for techno and my own personal tastes.there is just so much good stuff around at the moment.

    link me up man, I want in on the excitement.
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    Fair enough. Tbh, I think people like Mike Denhert, Peter Van Hoesen, Marcel Fengler, Shed etc are a lot closer to minimal than you might like to think (they have literally all been featured on the mnml ssgs page, and they are very popular with minimal heads) but they are definitely Minimal Techno rather than Minimal house, which is a big difference.

    What do you think it was that made artists like them decide they needed to adapt and do something different, to make this new slower sound of Techno? Was it that Techno was stuck in a rut, churning out the same old sounds? Had people got used to it, and bored by it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknorich View Post
    Fair enough. Tbh, I think people like Mike Denhert, Peter Van Hoesen, Marcel Fengler, Shed etc are a lot closer to minimal than you might like to think (they have literally all been featured on the mnml ssgs page, and they are very popular with minimal heads) but they are definitely Minimal Techno rather than Minimal house, which is a big difference.
    peter van hoesen - quartz no1

    peter van hoesen - strip it, boost it (entropic dub)

    to me, that sounds like just techno my old friend, no need for any minimal tags
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    Some great music suggested above!

    Some Youtube links to tunes that have really been hitting on a level that brings back my excitement about techno:

    MD2 - MD2.3 (Mike Dehnert)

    Adam Jay - Techno's Coming Back

    EQD - Equalized 003 A

    EQD - Equalized 003 B

    ^^^I love both of those so much I couldn't pick just one. LOL

    Dexter - Redbox

    Mike Humphries - Tactical Recon

    Traversable Wormhole - Closed Timelike Curve (Marcel Dettmann Rmx)

    Pfirter - Superventricular

    There is fantastic music out there, with plenty of "edge". I promise. :D

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    Oh my. Thanks for the heads up on that one!!! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by basslinejunkie View Post
    techno has moved on,even forward you could say. just because also of techno now has slowed in tempo, i would hardly say ' it has lost its balls ' personally i think the slower something is the darker it becomes.

    this place needs to move on from hard techno and realise there is a whole host of music and artists out there that are still making amazing music.
    totally agree, there's so much quality techno around at the moment

    these moaning threads really make me laugh
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