Wilson & Fridell - Tonal Path

[JamieBall]

Jamie Ball is the new Gunjack!

Mate, I'm the ORIGINAL, you're just too young (on the forum) to have experienced rantings yet... To some, they're divine - to others, asinine ;-)

However you choose to look at it - welcome to the truth \m/

[ethno]

Please stfu already Jamie, you're talking to pretty much 10 people tops. This board is as dead as your career.

Stop wasting our time here bashing people for what you think is good music. End of the day, people love Glenn and Matthias's shit, so lay off.

If YOU think its boring so be it. Don't buy it and don't listen to it. I think about 10 000 people in this world would disagree with you but you don't seem to come on here talking about it.

You should counter by coming out with some new material yourself and try and speak volumes that way. Get in the studio and crank out some of this music that you claim is so much better than this boring repetitive crap. (lol)

Having a battle at club would not be showing that your music is better, it would merely be showing that your live is better than theirs. I really think you're gonna have a hard time topping some of Glenn's old music. Most of his punish shit is epic.

I don't even think I can remember 1 track of yours that I played more than 2-3 weeks dude.

Just sayin.

[Mattias_Fridell]

While this isnt exactly a reply to Jamie I just stumbled upon this while reading his last rant:

"I've never sent out a 'demo' and I've never bugged anyone for a release. It's not my modus operandi and if you weren't too thick to do so you'd be able to get your head away from the concept that the only reason people make music is for superstardom."

Just to elaborate some for others, what I quoted is also true for me to some extent, I sent 6 demos in entire life and all of em was when I just got a bit more experienced in Techno (maybe they're all spread on a period of 2 years). Everything else I released, under my own name or under one of my aliases, is on requests (My discogs is very very poorly updated but my enitire released catalog can be found elsewhere).

Maybe this Jamie person confuses Glenn Wilson & Myself with the Beatport top 50 DJs that actually are popstars. We don't focus on being the commercial guys, never have and never will.
When we launched the Tonal Path project we knew far from everyone would like it. That's more rebel behavior then, say, go 150 BPM and trash all sounds through distortion boxes (with that being said, trashing sounds through distortion boxes can obviously be fun)

[djfilthmonger]

Kinda feel like im being attacked here for what music I like. Why bring this kinda shit to the techno scene , as if I dont get enough for even listening to techno in the first place not that it bothers me at all.

[force]

Ha ha, its always fun when somebodys Ego gets out of control and they makes themselves look a TOTAL cunt on a public forum.....

More of this please jamieboy, youre really funny....

[SlavikSvensk]

How about someone arrange a "best track" battle on here, Glenn/Mattias and Jamie both post what they think is their best track and everyone votes on which is better?

(hehehe)

[djfilthmonger]

How about someone arrange a "best track" battle on here, Glenn/Mattias and Jamie both post what they think is their best track and everyone votes on which is better?

(hehehe)

why bother ?

[JamieBall]

While this isnt exactly a reply to Jamie I just stumbled upon this while reading his last rant:

"I've never sent out a 'demo' and I've never bugged anyone for a release. It's not my modus operandi and if you weren't too thick to do so you'd be able to get your head away from the concept that the only reason people make music is for superstardom."

Just to elaborate some for others, what I quoted is also true for me to some extent, I sent 6 demos in entire life and all of em was when I just got a bit more experienced in Techno (maybe they're all spread on a period of 2 years). Everything else I released, under my own name or under one of my aliases, is on requests (My discogs is very very poorly updated but my enitire released catalog can be found elsewhere).

Maybe this Jamie person confuses Glenn Wilson & Myself with the Beatport top 50 DJs that actually are popstars. We don't focus on being the commercial guys, never have and never will.
When we launched the Tonal Path project we knew far from everyone would like it. That's more rebel behavior then, say, go 150 BPM and trash all sounds through distortion boxes (with that being said, trashing sounds through distortion boxes can obviously be fun)

I was actually saying that stuff in reference to the kid who told me that I was 'jealous' of Glenns (supposed?) position in the 'industry' lol I wasn't really saying "ooh look at mattias I bet he sends out millions of demos". I don't know if you do or not, so wouldn't comment on it...

Mattias I think you should let Glenn speak for himself and try not to dig a hole for yourself alongside his, if I'm being brutally honest. I'm not casting any unneccesary aspersions BUT the words Glenn and Wilson are seldom mentioned in the same sentence as words such as 'altruism' and 'reasonable'. Just saying what I've heard, I'm not a jangler (infact I'm a jangler strangler) just reporting what I've heard that's all.

Again, try not to just be like "Jamie ball just ****s everything through distortion" as it's simply not true. Maybe in your world producers are utterly one dimensional but I think of myself more as a musician. Here's an example of something distorted to **** that I wrote for crusty warehouse parties... YouTube - Jamie Ball as Action Bastard - Fake Book (Teleskopik Recordings 003)

[JamieBall]

Ha ha, its always fun when somebodys Ego gets out of control and they makes themselves look a TOTAL cunt on a public forum.....

More of this please jamieboy, youre really funny....

It seems everyone in techno can only relate to things in terms of EGO. That's what's wrong, I'll warrant. Who gives a **** about EGO ? I'm quite happy to say my music is shit to 99% of people, WHO CARES ? AND YOUR POINT IS ? I'm not defending it, I just wish people would not be so ****ing thick and get possession of FACTS before attacking stuff - "Jamie Ball makes distorted industrial" = NAIVE AS ****, SHOWCASING A LACK OF POSSESSION OF THE FACTS... >BUT< saying "Glenn Wilson always makes middle of the road techno, frequently riding on the coat tails of others" well, is that not the truth ? It is from where I'm sat and I'm happy to entertain evidence to the contrary :-o

I have already said I have extensive experience (to my shame) of having to sell Glenns music in the past so I'm well aware of his 'output' over the years. As far as I'm concerned it might as well all be the same record. That's MY OPINION, seems like everyone is getting their knickers well and truly in a twist cause I've chucked an egg at the window of the "MIGHTY" (haha) Glenn Wilson. He's been as much use to the scene, at the end of the day, as the likes of John Warwick (hence why I mentioned Prime and their attempts to fully suffocate techno in an earlier response)

IN MY OPINION - it's 'bout time you folks started to question your 'idols'. How the **** you get 'idols' in a scene where no-one even plays any instruments is kinda beyond me, anyways, but I have an odd way of looking at stuff (apparently). All that glitters is not gold, it's just yet another embossed HEROES sleeve ;-)

I think my input here has been really healthy, personally, but then again I would ;-x

Also, I'll say once again, STUNNING how many people actually seem to agree fully with me yet are afraid to say it. WHY ? If you're not happy with the status quo - BOMB IT ! That's why we have mouths with which to speak and hands with which to write. Simple.

In the meantime, I'll keep flying the flag for brutal honesty (and entertain people in the process if that's how it rolls...). DO NOT GET ME TWISTED, though, this isn't an EGO battle - my point was/is that pretty much anyone could rock this fool offstage...

[JamieBall]

How about someone arrange a "best track" battle on here, Glenn/Mattias and Jamie both post what they think is their best track and everyone votes on which is better?

(hehehe)

Retarded idea.

However, I do like the Glenn/Mattias name - lol - it's like BENNIFER or BRANGELINA and the like, totally symbiotic showbiz mayhem ahahAHHAhAhAHAHhAHA \m/

[DannyBlack]

This thread has sickened me somewhat to be honest. Jamie, it has been said before, if you don't like it don't listen to it. Don't buy it.

I find your attacks juvenile and counter-productive. It is attitudes like yours that make me want question why I got into Techno in the first place.

Anyway, you've made yourself look like a tool. No, really you have. So I will leave it at that. Will you?

Please read the rules of the forum before you post please.

[JamieBall]

Fair play, Danny, I can but bow to the rules as they are laid down.

If you feel the need, prune away - I do agree to some extent that this could be construed as counter productive behaviour on my part but perhaps in actually speaking up we may all move towards changing things to make stuff STRONGER.

I don't wish to cast aspersions on what people should/shouldn't be listening to and I will admit that basically that's what this thread has caused me to do, or it sure reads like that. It is, in some respects, shameful I concur. I'm sharing my point of view and should have paid more heed to the rules before doing so. However, once again I'd say that (as with the nanny state and Britain itself) cottonwooling and mollycoddling of certain outmoded ideals isn't neccesary the best idea. It's possible we can all be so much better, the entry of EGO into the debate refired me somewhat. If it's EGO based then what's the point ? If everything you write/do is amazing and lauded as such then what's the point in continuing - you've already hit your peak. To quote your countryman (sorry looool) "Things can only get better"

Right, amen to this I'm away off again for another massive chunk of time - just thought I'd drop by to see what was going on and already I've unintentionally rattled it up to defcon 1. Can't take me anywhere, honestly ;-)

Like I said, delete if you feel the need or leave for posterity - Consider my gob closed on the subject.

[Mattias_Fridell]

Again, try not to just be like "Jamie ball just ****s everything through distortion" as it's simply not true. Maybe in your world producers are utterly one dimensional but I think of myself more as a musician. Here's an example of something distorted to **** that I wrote for crusty warehouse parties... YouTube - Jamie Ball as Action Bastard - Fake Book (Teleskopik Recordings 003)

I said I wouldn't reply no more to you but I just felt I needed to sort this out.
First, English is not my native language so sadly I sometimes manage to not get through with my sarcasm. I was being sarcastic about the "Jamie puts all in a distortion box" since you felt the need to say the Tonal Stuff sounds like everything else Glenn or me done before.
I honestly don't care if you don't like my stuff, or Glenn's stuff, or our collab stuff, and I sure as hell don't like yours. Oh and I made sure to browse though lots of releases that you have.

[JamieBall]

I said I wouldn't reply no more to you but I just felt I needed to sort this out.
First, English is not my native language so sadly I sometimes manage to not get through with my sarcasm. I was being sarcastic about the "Jamie puts all in a distortion box" since you felt the need to say the Tonal Stuff sounds like everything else Glenn or me done before.
I honestly don't care if you don't like my stuff, or Glenn's stuff, or our collab stuff, and I sure as hell don't like yours. Oh and I made sure to browse though lots of releases that you have.

Just a quickie to clear this up...

Mattias, kinda the same here on the language front. Well, sort of. The sarcasm tip anyways. A lot of people presume I'm raging (perish the thought) but I'm a very reasonable man who happens to be Scottish in the ol' vernacular :-)

I'm not familiar with what you've done, so I wasn't meaning to comment on what's gone before and if you've taken it that way I apologise. My, what rare days are these !?! lol ;-)

If you don't like my music that's fine with me :-)

As you were, folks, as you were ...

[JamieBall]

it's one thing not to like something; everyone's entitled to their opinion. but if you call someone's productions out in this kind of disrespectful, self-serving way, you should be prepared to show why yours are better. you're clearly not. that basically tells everyone that you talk a lot of shite about "battling" but, deep down, don't really believe anyone will rate your work compared with theirs.

someone said you're like gunjack, but i don't see it. that dude is always ready to back up his words.

one more clearup.... :-s

A) I wasn't being self serving. As I have said on several occasions I'm not out to promote myself in any way at all. I'll occasionally put up something here or there for the lolz cause I think some people might find it funny, that's about it. The people who know me know this. Those who don't think I'm a retard anyways, I have nothing to lose. I'm like Riggs off of Lethal Weapon. Well, Lethal Weapon 1. Or Mad Max 2.

B) Battles are about the moment. Anyone can bring anything pre-rolled to the table. That doesn't count, it's not the spirit of the thing. Battles contain excitement, atmosphere, interaction the list goes on. They were and still remain a true test of skill in an environment where you have to be the best you can be with someone right there trying to be BETTER. It's >NOT< a fight, it's not about doing physical harm to people and it's far from schoolyard - it's the culmination of your abilities being thrown right back in your face (or not, if you're winning). Surely anything that sharpens skills should be embraced not embargoed ? Posting tracks is subjective, there's never any doubt when someone has won a battle :-)

Okay okay that's DEFINITELY it now.

[teknorich]

Meanwhile, back on topic...

YouTube - The Bridge

This sounds immense played loud and bassy

[ritaheed]

oooft thank fcuk boys... was interesting to start off with now its just gay

fcuk it if someone doesnt like stuff then fair doo's :)

[Mattias_Fridell]

Meanwhile, back on topic...

YouTube - The Bridge

This sounds immense played loud and bassy

You're right. Me & Glenn had the opportunity to play our Tonal stuff (and the harder stuff) out last weekend, banged perfect even with harder tunes!

Now when the storm is over does anyone wanna know more about the coming projects, ideas or similar, it's just to go ahead and ask (if it's appropriate for this forum? not sure, maybe PMs works better for this).
I always find it good to be humble and check and talk with the receiving end of the scene.

[DannyBlack]

Go for it! Yesterday happened and today is a new day.

[Luke_C]

I'm not sure id want to post new projects on this board after reading all that lol