your got to bass vsts?

[DannyBlack]

I didn't think of decaying it on the kick. I'll give that a try, Mat- cheers. Saw; I like saw I just haven't used it a whole lot to really know what I'm doing. But a change is always good I guess. I shall try it out. Again, cheers :)

[BranLanen]

When I use software for doing some bass I often use Native Instruments FM7/FM8, also liked Massive from NI but I don't know enough about it, I only used factory presets as they come or slightly modified...

[fils_here]

some intresting tips & ideas on this subject, cheers all.

[Mattias_Fridell]

I made 3 examples of bottoms / subs I like as the foundation of my tracks, and no sine to be found anywhere:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3913404/fridell_example01.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3913404/fridell_example02.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3913404/fridell_example03.mp3

[ritaheed]

I made 3 examples of bottoms / subs I like as the foundation of my tracks, and no sine to be found anywhere:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3913404/fridell_example01.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3913404/fridell_example02.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3913404/fridell_example03.mp3

these bassline's/subs are brilliant, go on mattias do a tutorial :) :)

help us (small) producers out, its not like were gna steal your crown man ;)

[DannyBlack]

Nice one Mat, Il listen when I get home :D

[Mattias_Fridell]

Naw I'm not worried about "stealing my crown" haha, I just find its a well kept secret among Techno producers, maybe they all go after me and smash 1210s to my head haha.

Well anyways.....here goes then:

In example 01 its by far the most effective way to make moving subs, and it's really easy.

1. Take any kick, do what you feel with it ,compression / EQing etc.
2. Add a reverb (with early, late, pre-delay operation) to a send channel.
3. Send the reverb to your kick. Don't send too much of it.
4. Side-chain the send channel you put the reverb on with your kick.
5. Make the reverb channel MONO, and add a low-pass filter.
6. Set the low-pass to filter everything from 200Hz & up (try different Hz)

Now you'll hear how the "bass" will react to your kick for real and it will follow the kicks tone, accent and intonation. So from here its really just to experiment with reveb times, decay, pre-delays / early-late, diffusion to make it sit tight and move nicely. Increase & decrease the send value to the kick till you find a nice balance, you can insert effects on the reverb send channel, compress the reverbs and gate it, add pitch effects to it and what not. You dont really need side chain for this but its nice, but either works.

You can hear this kind of "bass / sub" far far back in the history of techno really, its pretty amazing it been so hidden among the circle of fellow producers etc. Or maybe ya'll knew this already haha.

Edit: What I would recommend for this when it comes to software is 112dB redline reverb, d16 Toraverb, 2C Aether, the logic reverbs, Waves Maxxbass Mono (for experimenting with bass harmony), SIR, Ambience, Lexcion verbs

[Honeey]

Naw I'm not worried about "stealing my crown" haha, I just find its a well kept secret among Techno producers, maybe they all go after me and smash 1210s to my head haha.

Well anyways.....here goes then:

In example 01 its by far the most effective way to make moving subs, and it's really easy.

1. Take any kick, do what you feel with it ,compression / EQing etc.
2. Add a reverb (with early, late, pre-delay operation) to a send channel.
3. Send the reverb to your kick. Don't send too much of it.
4. Side-chain the send channel you put the reverb on with your kick.
5. Make the reverb channel MONO, and add a low-pass filter.
6. Set the low-pass to filter everything from 200Hz & up (try different Hz)

Now you'll hear how the "bass" will react to your kick for real and it will follow the kicks tone, accent and intonation. So from here its really just to experiment with reveb times, decay, pre-delays / early-late, diffusion to make it sit tight and move nicely. Increase & decrease the send value to the kick till you find a nice balance, you can insert effects on the reverb send channel, compress the reverbs and gate it, add pitch effects to it and what not. You dont really need side chain for this but its nice, but either works.

You can hear this kind of "bass / sub" far far back in the history of techno really, its pretty amazing it been so hidden among the circle of fellow producers etc. Or maybe ya'll knew this already haha.

Edit: What I would recommend for this when it comes to software is 112dB redline reverb, d16 Toraverb, 2C Aether, the logic reverbs, Waves Maxxbass Mono (for experimenting with bass harmony), SIR, Ambience, Lexcion verbs

Thank you!!!!! :)

[Winds]

Naw I'm not worried about "stealing my crown" haha, I just find its a well kept secret among Techno producers, maybe they all go after me and smash 1210s to my head haha.

Well anyways.....here goes then:

In example 01 its by far the most effective way to make moving subs, and it's really easy.

1. Take any kick, do what you feel with it ,compression / EQing etc.
2. Add a reverb (with early, late, pre-delay operation) to a send channel.
3. Send the reverb to your kick. Don't send too much of it.
4. Side-chain the send channel you put the reverb on with your kick.
5. Make the reverb channel MONO, and add a low-pass filter.
6. Set the low-pass to filter everything from 200Hz & up (try different Hz)

Now you'll hear how the "bass" will react to your kick for real and it will follow the kicks tone, accent and intonation. So from here its really just to experiment with reveb times, decay, pre-delays / early-late, diffusion to make it sit tight and move nicely. Increase & decrease the send value to the kick till you find a nice balance, you can insert effects on the reverb send channel, compress the reverbs and gate it, add pitch effects to it and what not. You dont really need side chain for this but its nice, but either works.

You can hear this kind of "bass / sub" far far back in the history of techno really, its pretty amazing it been so hidden among the circle of fellow producers etc. Or maybe ya'll knew this already haha.

Edit: What I would recommend for this when it comes to software is 112dB redline reverb, d16 Toraverb, 2C Aether, the logic reverbs, Waves Maxxbass Mono (for experimenting with bass harmony), SIR, Ambience, Lexcion verbs

Thanks!

[rhythmtech]

Naw I'm not worried about "stealing my crown" haha, I just find its a well kept secret among Techno producers, maybe they all go after me and smash 1210s to my head haha.

Well anyways.....here goes then:

In example 01 its by far the most effective way to make moving subs, and it's really easy.

1. Take any kick, do what you feel with it ,compression / EQing etc.
2. Add a reverb (with early, late, pre-delay operation) to a send channel.
3. Send the reverb to your kick. Don't send too much of it.
4. Side-chain the send channel you put the reverb on with your kick.
5. Make the reverb channel MONO, and add a low-pass filter.
6. Set the low-pass to filter everything from 200Hz & up (try different Hz)

Now you'll hear how the "bass" will react to your kick for real and it will follow the kicks tone, accent and intonation. So from here its really just to experiment with reveb times, decay, pre-delays / early-late, diffusion to make it sit tight and move nicely. Increase & decrease the send value to the kick till you find a nice balance, you can insert effects on the reverb send channel, compress the reverbs and gate it, add pitch effects to it and what not. You dont really need side chain for this but its nice, but either works.

You can hear this kind of "bass / sub" far far back in the history of techno really, its pretty amazing it been so hidden among the circle of fellow producers etc. Or maybe ya'll knew this already haha.

Edit: What I would recommend for this when it comes to software is 112dB redline reverb, d16 Toraverb, 2C Aether, the logic reverbs, Waves Maxxbass Mono (for experimenting with bass harmony), SIR, Ambience, Lexcion verbs

i cant believe you just told them dude

now we have to kill you

[Mattias_Fridell]

i cant believe you just told them dude

now we have to kill you

hahaha!

[ritaheed]

Naw I'm not worried about "stealing my crown" haha, I just find its a well kept secret among Techno producers, maybe they all go after me and smash 1210s to my head haha.

Well anyways.....here goes then:

In example 01 its by far the most effective way to make moving subs, and it's really easy.

1. Take any kick, do what you feel with it ,compression / EQing etc.
2. Add a reverb (with early, late, pre-delay operation) to a send channel.
3. Send the reverb to your kick. Don't send too much of it.
4. Side-chain the send channel you put the reverb on with your kick.
5. Make the reverb channel MONO, and add a low-pass filter.
6. Set the low-pass to filter everything from 200Hz & up (try different Hz)

Now you'll hear how the "bass" will react to your kick for real and it will follow the kicks tone, accent and intonation. So from here its really just to experiment with reveb times, decay, pre-delays / early-late, diffusion to make it sit tight and move nicely. Increase & decrease the send value to the kick till you find a nice balance, you can insert effects on the reverb send channel, compress the reverbs and gate it, add pitch effects to it and what not. You dont really need side chain for this but its nice, but either works.

You can hear this kind of "bass / sub" far far back in the history of techno really, its pretty amazing it been so hidden among the circle of fellow producers etc. Or maybe ya'll knew this already haha.

Edit: What I would recommend for this when it comes to software is 112dB redline reverb, d16 Toraverb, 2C Aether, the logic reverbs, Waves Maxxbass Mono (for experimenting with bass harmony), SIR, Ambience, Lexcion verbs

mattius your a total gentleman :D

imagine keeping it a secret ya greedy selfish bunch ;) :D lol

[TiagoTechnoHead]

Naw I'm not worried about "stealing my crown" haha, I just find its a well kept secret among Techno producers, maybe they all go after me and smash 1210s to my head haha.

Well anyways.....here goes then:

In example 01 its by far the most effective way to make moving subs, and it's really easy.

1. Take any kick, do what you feel with it ,compression / EQing etc.
2. Add a reverb (with early, late, pre-delay operation) to a send channel.
3. Send the reverb to your kick. Don't send too much of it.
4. Side-chain the send channel you put the reverb on with your kick.
5. Make the reverb channel MONO, and add a low-pass filter.
6. Set the low-pass to filter everything from 200Hz & up (try different Hz)

Now you'll hear how the "bass" will react to your kick for real and it will follow the kicks tone, accent and intonation. So from here its really just to experiment with reveb times, decay, pre-delays / early-late, diffusion to make it sit tight and move nicely. Increase & decrease the send value to the kick till you find a nice balance, you can insert effects on the reverb send channel, compress the reverbs and gate it, add pitch effects to it and what not. You dont really need side chain for this but its nice, but either works.

You can hear this kind of "bass / sub" far far back in the history of techno really, its pretty amazing it been so hidden among the circle of fellow producers etc. Or maybe ya'll knew this already haha.

Edit: What I would recommend for this when it comes to software is 112dB redline reverb, d16 Toraverb, 2C Aether, the logic reverbs, Waves Maxxbass Mono (for experimenting with bass harmony), SIR, Ambience, Lexcion verbs

Fantastic mate, thanks again!

:)

[ritaheed]

now to steal mattius' techno crown :D

[DannyBlack]

Cheers Mattius! Hey Rita- crown is mine hehehe

[Mattias_Fridell]

You're welcome. Have fun while tweaking with this

[rhythmtech]

just wanted to clear something up.

in step 3 mathius says to send your reverb to the kick. i assume he meant to send your kick to the reverb.

[ICN]

I'm using a long 808 kick inbetween main Kicks, with the attack adjusted.

The mono reverb trick with a Vintage Warmer before the reverb on the send.

Usual tom hits destroyed with fx & EQ'd into behaving.

Logic EXS24 Default sine patch & the Logic EFM1 - Mental deep.


What all these things have in common is simplicity. The simpler the better.

[ritaheed]

I'm using a long 808 kick inbetween main Kicks, with the attack adjusted.

The mono reverb trick with a Vintage Warmer before the reverb on the send.

Usual tom hits destroyed with fx & EQ'd into behaving.

Logic EXS24 Default sine patch & the Logic EFM1 - Mental deep.


What all these things have in common is simplicity. The simpler the better.

cool man will give this a try :)

[Mattias_Fridell]

I'm using a long 808 kick inbetween main Kicks, with the attack adjusted.

The mono reverb trick with a Vintage Warmer before the reverb on the send.

Usual tom hits destroyed with fx & EQ'd into behaving.

Logic EXS24 Default sine patch & the Logic EFM1 - Mental deep.


What all these things have in common is simplicity. The simpler the better.

Yea the 808 Kick is great as well.

Another thing I like to do is to build a nice groove with a kick, some percussion and perhaps and simple synth, tidy it up a bit and make it sound round, without too much compression, then route all the channels I worked with to a bus and low pass it, then I get a nice package of bottom I can pitch and play with together with a kick on top of it (side chain the bus comes handy here as well). Also effective to just render the low passed package as a loop and edit it later with pitch tone and other nice effects.

This is what I used normally for all my "harder" classic tunes.